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Nikon D400 hints (not rumors)

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Two hints submitted by readers (thanks!):

For several days now the reputable German dealer dnet24.de (official Nikon dealer) - states at their D300 body only page "sol. Vorrat reicht" = "as long as stock lasts" - why would they have limited number of D300 in stock?

Another site is selling a screen protector for D400 (the image says Canon?).

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  • Zoetmb

    They would have a limited number of D300s because Nikon might be holding back stock until the price increases go through. They don’t want stores ordering at the old price. That’s why they cancel backorders.

    Let’s say the D400 is announced at PMA in early March (but I doubt it.) The earliest you’ll see it in retail is June. You think Nikon is not going to sell a camera in that range for 6 months? That’s ridiculous. We’ll see the D400 sometime between June and November, but I’m betting November–two years from the D300 release.

    • Juergen

      “They would have a limited number of D300s because Nikon might be holding back stock until the price increases go through. They don’t want stores ordering at the old price. That’s why they cancel backorders.”

      No, remember we’re talking about Germany, and that’s not the way it works here.
      Also it’s the only Nikon DSLR at their shop which is labelled such – if it would work the way you describe it would apply to other Nikon DSLRs, too.
      Also see my post below, there is a special offer for the same special low price at some of the reputable Nikon dealers for the D300/18-200 VR combo, mostly for 1777,–, some even offer it for 1759,– — looks like a new Nikon backed-up promotion.

    • rhlpetrus

      Nikon has changed its launch strategy, they have, for the past year, starting shipping right after announcement (less than 1 month delay).

      I think a D400 is probable in the first semester, as well as a new entry-level camera (LV and movie mode are big selling points there).

  • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

    I know, not one of my best posts, but I saved you this one:

    Nikon

    • Pablov

      What camera is this supposed to be ?

      big pentaprims for a DX… ?

      (BTW yesterday I had the 1st oportunity to see through a DX viewfinder… I found bit smaller than a FX or film camera.. bad for me to see the smaller info displayed :( I wonder if using a dedicated Nikon magnifier would help or crop part of the image or data shown….)

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

        It’s a cut off D3x – just a bad PS job somebody sent me and I did not want to post it on the main page

    • Dave

      That’s the F7. Yes, film SLR’s are back! :D

      • Cache

        I think there is a red “format” icon which will not appear on a film body.

      • Erik Ehrling

        Yes! Yes! Yes! It would be fun to see a F7 released now! I would buy one immediately!

  • Ormenean Calin

    “They would have a limited number of D300s because Nikon might be holding back stock until the price increases go through. ” I don’t think so…in Romania, i bought an 18-55 VR for my uncle at the old price from an authorized Nikon retailer and the next day the 18-55 VR price was increased with 25 euros,IN STOCK, in the same retailer/ . Why Nikon sould sell nothing? BTW 1341 euros is the new price…is a little bit more from the new price in Romania (1280 euros).
    I do belive that Nikon is coming with an upgrade to D300 because the IQ of the D90 is better against d300, but D90 is not a pro camera…so Nikon MUST replace D300 with something…very quiqly

    • Pablov

      I didn’t find the D90′s IQ better than D300′s … :-?

      In fact I found some chroma noise in low bright red subjects (D90′s pictures)

      • http://micahmedia.com Micah

        I found the same thing. Low freq noise in the red channel. It’s in the raws and jpgs at high iso.

        Still ordering one. It’s a fun plastic camera!

        • Pablov

          I noticed it at ISO 200, but in the condition and subject that I described above.
          Besides that, very nice IQ

  • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

    You see, even for that post we can start an interesting discussion!

  • Nikon Fan

    I just noticed that B&H has raised the prices today on the following:

    AF-S 14-24mm from $1,489.95 to $1,539.95 – $50.00 increase
    AF-S 24-70mm from $1,429.95 to $1,469.95 – $40.00 increase

    Somehow I think this may be only the beginning.

  • random

    I’m really excited about this. Fingers crossed for an upgrade… The picture posted is so weird looking without the pop-up flash. I’m not used to it. Glad to see the 50 afs mounted though! perhaps it’s real? haha.

    -jeff

  • Ruby

    It’s like watching your car get towed…it kills you to watch but there’s nothing you can do about it. I have big lens purchases on the charts for this year (2-3 pro grade f/2.8 lenses) as I replace all to full frame, but I simply won’t have the capital until around June. Oh well, with the US financial melt down, we simply have nothing, can’t even use credit early this year. I can only watch as the prices raise and get away from me…

    These raised also today. I have been checking these prices daily.
    AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.4G Autofocus Lens
    – $485 yesterday at B&H. It’s now $499.
    Fisheye 10.5mm f/2.8G ED AF DX Fisheye-Nikkor
    – $559 yesterday, now $579
    AF-S Zoom Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8G ED AF Lens
    – $1,489 yesterday, now $1,539

    …the list continues. {sigh} Now, these in my opinion are all modest increases. Maddening, but I was thinking we were going to see some of these lenses jump $200+ and I guess, perhaps we still will. Maybe B&H is raising them only incrementally. Oh well, I still have to watch as my car is towed away…

  • Juergen

    Ok, it’s going to get a bit long, but here I go:

    Well, it’s all about source evaluation – personally I don’t put much faith into the screen protector thing from Gadgetys: They’re certainly not deep into photography, not to speak of Nikon and the sample image does add to my non-faith. And especially it could be a simple typo from “D40″ (which indeed I think it is, simply a “0″ too much).

    With the dnet24.de thing it’s different. I didn’t comment it when I first post it here, but from the fact alone *that* I – as a very critical person – posted it the NR admin can see that I give it much more credibility. Once having run a rumour site myself for years (although not for photography) and using Nikons since more than 30 years I have developed some sense for the truth of rumours (but of course I am *not* always right!)
    So it was easy to see immediately the D800 thing was a fake, fake as a fake can be!

    Now back to the dnet24.de thing: They are a reputable authorized Nikon dealer. So when I incidentally stumbled over the “D300, as long as stock lasts” thing I searched through their site and looked up all their Nikon DSLR offerings – besides the Fuji S5 (ok, it’s Fuji) and two kits each of the D40, D60 and D80 the D300 is the only DSLR which is labelled with “as long as stock lasts”. So I don’t think it’s an error from their side, but an intentional labelling.

    On the site of another reputable German dealer – fotokoch.de – one can find the D300 for 1499,– Euro (which is a bit high, other reputable dealers have it for ca. 1350 Euro), but in combination with the 18-200 VR for 1777,– (lens alone goes for 629,– at fotokoch, but for 499,– at other reputable dealers).

    The same situation exists at other reputable German dealers – technikdirekt.de and foto-oehling.de – they also have the combo for 1777,– which leads to the conclusion it is a Nikon Germany backed-up special offer.

    So hard to say how far away the D300 successor is from today, but *I* do see it on the horizon.

    • Pablov

      thanks, very good post :)

      BTW, what do you think about a future D700x, and a D800 ?
      (hard to tell?, well.. not all the questions are easy :D )

      • Juergen

        “BTW, what do you think about a future D700x, and a D800 ?
        (hard to tell?, well.. not all the questions are easy :D )”

        I think it’s not too hard:
        A D700x (or whatever a 24 MP version of the D700 will be called) is inevitable, and I think it will come in autumn as latest. Not so much to stop all the “D3x price is too high´” whiners (and it’s not “too high”, but “high”, which is vastly different) but as a competitor to Canon 5DII and Sony A900. And personally I think it will be priced a bit higher than these – say 500 USD, maybe even 1000.. – which in my point of view is (fully) justified by the superiour body.

        With a D800 I don’t think we will see it still this year – there’s nothing wrong with the D700, it’s the clear leader in it’s class, and I don’t see it to become non-competitive soon. So I would expect it not earlier than next year.

        What is heavily needed this year is a D60 successor, that’s where the unit volume lies – maybe to be presented at PMA at the beginning of March?

        • Pablov

          and what about a better (than D90′s) HD Video in FX bodis?

          Do you think it will come with D700x or not available until D800?

          I suppose if D700x comes with the same 24MP sensor as D3x, then it wouldn’t include movie/video mode, I “suppose” that sensor is not designed for movie (it must allow long time of LiveView mode, and I’m not sure if it actually does)

          • Erik Ehrling

            Please – save my D-SLR:s from a video mode. I know it’s irrational, but I just don’t want it there.

          • Juergen

            “and what about a better (than D90’s) HD Video in FX bodis?

            Do you think it will come with D700x or not available until D800?”

            Inevitable. But only at the next round of bodies (“D4″ and “D800″). To keep the price low – ok, “low” is not exactly the right expression for the “D700x” price range… – I think Nikon will not include a video mode into it. And it would also mean introduction of the camera would be later, time Nikon does not have to waste. But with the FX successors it of course will be inevitable.

            “suppose if D700x comes with the same 24MP sensor as D3x, then it wouldn’t include movie/video mode, …”

            That’s what I think.

            • Pablov

              I was thinking…

              I know the cycles won’t be exact the same in future, and I don’t even know the exact cycles of the past DSLRs… but:

              (correct the old dates if they are wrong) :

              Q4 2007 – D300 & D3 were launched toghether
              Q2-3 2008 – D700
              Q4 2008 – D3x

              Now, if Nikon launch a D400 soon:
              Q1-2 2009 – D400
              Then the cycles of Dn and Dnnn won’t be together anymore

              We can think this too:
              Q3 2009 – D700x

              So the next step would be:
              Qx 2010 – D4 ?
              OR Qx 2010 – D800 ?

              The D700 was the first FX “affordable” body, or a cheaper version of the FX Pro body.
              I guess D4 and D800 wouldn’t be launched at the same time because both are FX formats and D800 could hurt the sales of D4.

              – But I don’t see what we could expect to be launched first, D4 or D800 ???

              I could bet the D4 will include Movie/Video in a Pro implementation.

              Besides more MP (thanks to the sensor development and improvements, giving better sensitive to light even with smaller pixels), and some “minor” improvements or small new features, what other “Big” new feature can we expect from a pro body to call it D4 ? Just more AF sensors?

              One IMPORTANT thing we should always consider is What Canon (the main competitor) is offering, and will offer, since Nikon needs to keep competitive and they will move accordingly too, it is their business.

  • Jack

    After the D3X and its $8000+ price, I’ve decided that I’ll spend my money on lenses rather than expensive camera bodies. It sucks that lenses are going up in price now. Have there been any rumors about new or refreshed lenses lately? 80 -400 VR, 70-200VR, 1000-8000VR BBQ, etc?

    • Juergen

      “After the D3X and its $8000+ price, I’ve decided that I’ll spend my money on lenses rather than expensive camera bodies.”

      Yes, 8k is a price for professionals only (and those amateurs who have money to burn).

      “It sucks that lenses are going up in price now. ” That’s due to the currency value changes of the Yen to Dollars, Pounds and Euro. Nikon *has* to do it – and I’m sure they hate to have to do it, the Nikon guys are not as stupid as so many people think; in fact it’s just the opposite, the Nikon guys are very clever – and additionally managed to keep the prices not raised for a long time despite of the currency value changes.

  • http://www.uwphoto.ae Mariozi

    I have thought about the D300 and D700 lines going back to one single FX camera.
    Maybe it will happen earlier than I thought, and the D40, D40x, D60 also makes more sense as a single camera. In these rough times doesn’t make much sense to me keeping 6 camera lines:
    D3(x)
    D700 – 800
    D300 – 400
    D90
    D60
    D40x

    When you can get it down to 4!
    D3(x)
    D400
    D90
    D65

    • Nikon Fan

      Your speculation has been my biggest concern for the past year or so since the release of the D700.

      This is why I have sold/selling all of my DX lenses and have replaced with FX lenses. I do not want to be caught with DX lenses and only have a D90 body option in DX. So for now, I am able to continue in DX with the crop or go to FX.

      I personally think that there will be at least one more DX body and probably in the D400. After that who knows.

    • Juergen

      “I have thought about the D300 and D700 lines going back to one single FX camera.”

      That will happen some time in the future.
      One possible scenario would be to simply phase out the D300 successor, means D700 successor then being the one model.

      “I do not want to be caught with DX lenses and only have a D90 body option in DX.”

      Progress will march on. So think about the changes from D80 to D90, especially in terms of framerate. And now imagine what a D90 successor could be, more than 5 fps, LCD bigger than 3 inches, picture buffer bigger, and of course HD video and even more megapixels. Wouldn’t be that “enough” for most of today’s buyers of the D300? Ok, what still would be missing is AF fine tune, which could easily be implemented, and the ability to meter with non-CPU lenses – which would be too expensive for a D90 successor.
      So what would most really miss from such a DX camera compared to the current D300?

  • http://wijnands.blogspot.com Jeroenw

    I’m still wondering about that German offer…
    could be it’s price related.. get this will the price lasts. Could be some special offer from nikon but they don’t do much on body only.
    I really doubt that they are trying to sell off any remaining D300s to make room for it’s successor. First of all, even if nikon was already making the D400 there will be tons of D300s still in the channels. Look at the number of D40, D40x and D80 still on sale.
    Secondly, this dealer has never been involved in any previous leaks. If a release is imminent then I’d expect it from a certain french dealer.

    And although a D300 is successor is possible for this year i really wonder. Given the state of the global economy I expect a D60 successor, a flash update and perhaps a new lens or two.

    • Juergen

      “’m still wondering about that German offer…
      could be it’s price related.. get this will the price lasts. Could be some special offer from nikon but they don’t do much on body only.”

      So do I. Seems brand-new to me. And I haven’t seen any mentioning from Nikon.

      “I really doubt that they are trying to sell off any remaining D300s to make room for it’s successor. First of all, even if nikon was already making the D400 there will be tons of D300s still in the channels.”

      I don’t know the reason for this offer. But of course Nikon must have a reason to do so. Might also be more for the lens, who knows?

      “Look at the number of D40, D40x and D80 still on sale.”

      D40x are sold out since some time and D80 are drying out rapidly (at least here in Germany).

      “Secondly, this dealer has never been involved in any previous leaks. If a release is imminent then I’d expect it from a certain french dealer.”

      In reality that doesn’t have to say anything – if it would you could get in a casino at 8 p.m. to roulette table #1 and put all your money on the “25″ – because that is the number which made it yesterday on table #1 in the same casino at the exact same time…

      “And although a D300 is successor is possible for this year i really wonder. Given the state of the global economy I expect a D60 successor, a flash update and perhaps a new lens or two.”

      D60 successor – definitely. And later a “D700x”. And a D40 entry-level successor will also come, I think.
      Flash-update – possible. For the SB-600. But again still no hammerhead flash to rival the Metz, I fear.
      Lens updates – yes, definitely. And more than only one or two, make it five (or so).

  • MattiasK

    YES! Camera rumors. Thank you!

    My biggest worry is that the D400 wont compete with the D700 in terms of image quality as measured by DxOMark points. If it continues to lag behind to much in the low-light performance I will go FX.

  • lox

    The screen protector thing is clearly for a Canon EOS 400D, which sells as Rebel XTi in the US. Such an ugly shaped screen you will barely find on a Nikon camera. :) It has just been messed, nothing worth to be called a rumor…

    The limited offer for D300 at dnet24 might result from a special deal between dnet and Nikon Germany. As you may know, every dealer negotiates contracts with Nikon. They probably bought a huge number of D300 bodies to offer it at a good price. Besides that, stating that some item is limited can sell it quite fast.

    I don’t believe in a replacement for the D300 this year.

  • sonorman

    Regarding the term “sol. Vorrat reicht”:
    This is a legal thing in Germany. If the dealer has a special low price offer without a time limit (valid until …), for example because he bought a big bunch of one item and got a lower buying price, he has to write this term into his offer for his own protection. Otherwise the customer has got the right to call for the offered price, even if the items on stock are sold out already. It’s a kind of a disclaimer, and so it has absolutely no meaning for the product life cycle.

    • Juergen

      I don’t want to go into the legal details, but here in Germany the dealer only has some few stock for the estimated orders for a certain amount of time, which typically is a couple of days. Then new cams are ordered from the importer (talking authorized dealers here) and the cycle starts anew. Only when you know the supply with the importer is limited – as with a model no longer produced – you make the disclaimer “as long as stock lasts” – which in this case means “as long as supply” lasts.
      And one can see that the disclaimer at the dealer in question is only used by them with models out of production, no such disclaimer with D90 or D700 or… .
      If the dealer would have ordered a defined lot of cams from the importer for a special low price the disclaimer would be different, e.g. “for a limited time only” or “limited stock for this special low price” (or however they’d word it exactly).
      And in this special case the dealer wants 1368,41 Euro, slightly more than the typical 1349 or 1359 Euro, so no special low price.

      • sonorman

        Thanks for your amendment, Jürgen.

  • Catalin

    Hello,
    D300 now at stores in Germany are around 1350Euro(reputable stores).
    If D400 will come must have a price around 1900 euro at least for couple of months.
    The D700 is now quoted at 2000Euro.

    So my question is why should I buy a D400? if I can get an FX body for same price?
    If Nikon will come with D400, then, must bring some new features that will make DX a viable choice for the future or may come with updated DX lenses that are very cheap comparing with FX lenses.

    The Nikon camera progress is so advanced and I am wondering what could be more improved on a D300?. Is a perfect camera for semi-pro.
    The only thing that may come on DX is a Movie Full HD and stereo mic. We will never see this in FX body.
    If there will be a D400 then must have a better IQ then D90, a FullHD movie function and some more pix.

    /Catalin

    • Pablov

      “The only thing that may come on DX is a Movie Full HD and stereo mic. We will never see this in FX body.”

      I don’t think so.
      Canon has already launched a FX with full HD (5D Mark II), and that camera is highly demanded ffrom many people.
      Some of them bought it manily because of the low light Movie and full frame lenses capability.

      Canon will probably launch a 1D with full HD too

      I was even considering that option (5D MK II) seriously, but I found too many people having hot pixels on it.
      Maybe I’m wrong, but I didn’t hear a hot pixel issue that often in Nikon DSLRs

      It stoped me, and now I wonder what happen with Canon…

      - Are all Canon DSLRs suffering from hot pixels issue, or is just more often in the 5D MK II ?
      - Are Nikon DSLRs having as many hot pixels as Canon have?

      I was scared about the high ammount of people owning 5D MK II reporting that.

      For me “remapping” is only an option when you just have very few hot pixels, because it only covers the sensor faults, hiding the hot pixel but not solving the problem in depht.

    • Juergen

      “D300 now at stores in Germany are around 1350Euro(reputable stores).
      If D400 will come must have a price around 1900 euro at least for couple of months.
      The D700 is now quoted at 2000Euro. ”

      Yes, difference is 600 to 650 Euro. And indeed – I think – many would hesitate to buy a D400 for the price of a D700. So a D400 *has* to be cheaper, means the MSRP shouldn’t start above 1699 (or so) so that a gap of at least 300 Euro remains.

      “The only thing that may come on DX is a Movie Full HD and stereo mic. We will never see this in FX body.”

      There’s more things which could be added to a D300 successor, we all can speculate about things like built-in GPS etc. pp.

      And I do *not* think that we well not see Full HD (and a stereo mic) in a FX body: I think it’s just the opposite, once it starts – and it will, with the cam generations after D700, D3 and D3x, I’m absolutely convinced it will start then – it will be mandatory for all later FX cams.

      “If there will be a D400 then must have a better IQ then D90, a FullHD movie function and some more pix.”

      Of course it will have better IQ, more MP and Full HD.
      The question is: What else?

  • MarkusW

    I’ve sent Gatgetys an inquiry asking where to find the Nikon D400 <:-) Let’s see what they say ;-)

  • rhlpetrus

    Rumor of Sony A800, could be sensor used in D400

    http://photofan.jp/camera/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5890&forum=11&post_id=53007#forumpost53007

    Info in link:

    “I am visiting Japan and we had a very interesting meeting with some friends…

    a800…
    -15.2Mpx APS-C CMOS Exmor “R” sensor
    -ISO 100-12.800
    -6.5 frame per second
    -New high speed flash sync
    -9 double cross f/2.8 AF sensor (23 total AF sensor)
    -New metering and AF sensor with tracking and previous focus
    -Dual AF Ultr-Speed motor ??
    -Wi-Fi built-in

    Will be announced on PMA09 and launch on April with 3 new DT lenses… “

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