Comments on: “The Nikon D3x gave medium-format looking files with all the flexibility of the Nikkor Lens system” http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/ where there’s smoke there’s fire Thu, 24 May 2012 20:16:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: JJ http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11178 JJ Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:01:24 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11178 My preferred option is more moderating and removing of offensive comments - I'd accept a site policy of "if you deliberately insult another user your comment will be removed, even if they started it" Of course that loads all the work onto the NR Admin guy(s), but I never claimed not to be lazy . . . My preferred option is more moderating and removing of offensive comments – I’d accept a site policy of “if you deliberately insult another user your comment will be removed, even if they started it”
Of course that loads all the work onto the NR Admin guy(s), but I never claimed not to be lazy . . .

]]> By: blabhalbhal http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11105 blabhalbhal Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:02:25 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11105 http://www.nikon.com/about/news/2008/1201_d3x_01.htm http://www.nikon.com/about/news/2008/1201_d3x_01.htm

]]> By: d4n131m3j14 http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11104 d4n131m3j14 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:01:53 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11104 I don't like to register.. unless I could register once in a lifetime and my browser kept me logged in.. If I had the money the D3 would be a better choice.. rigght now I settle wih the d300 I don’t like to register.. unless I could register once in a lifetime and my browser kept me logged in..
If I had the money the D3 would be a better choice.. rigght now I settle wih the d300

]]> By: Jeremy http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11093 Jeremy Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:59:22 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11093 Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Haha. I mean, personally I view it as good. It means I have plenty of time to make mistakes before it starts to cost me in the real world. But, it also means nobody takes me too seriously. So that sort of sucks. Oh well. I can't wait to see the sample images from this beast of a dSLR! Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Haha. I mean, personally I view it as good. It means I have plenty of time to make mistakes before it starts to cost me in the real world. But, it also means nobody takes me too seriously. So that sort of sucks. Oh well. I can’t wait to see the sample images from this beast of a dSLR!

]]> By: rhlpetrus http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11089 rhlpetrus Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:19:03 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11089 MX won't come IMO. Nikon should get ready for pro video in the next pro action camera (D4). Canon will sure have it in 1D3 successor. MX won’t come IMO. Nikon should get ready for pro video in the next pro action camera (D4). Canon will sure have it in 1D3 successor.

]]> By: PHB http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11088 PHB Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:14:53 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11088 How about this for a theory? The original plan was for a possible MX launch but they have a backup plan. So Ken Rockwell will be right and the BIG announcement will be a Nikon branded 13x19 HP printer that is Dream Color tuned to the D3x. How about this for a theory?

The original plan was for a possible MX launch but they have a backup plan.

So Ken Rockwell will be right and the BIG announcement will be a Nikon branded 13×19 HP printer that is Dream Color tuned to the D3x.

]]> By: [NR] admin http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11086 [NR] admin Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:05:18 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11086 OK this is what I will do - I will start (selectively and without a warning) deleting comments that are not appropriate to the discussed topic. OK this is what I will do – I will start (selectively and without a warning) deleting comments that are not appropriate to the discussed topic.

]]> By: Juergen http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11083 Juergen Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:31:23 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11083 I don't think registration will really help at this stage. "This stage" is what is typical here in regards of comments, and apart from some very few comments almost all comments are within reasonable borders IMHO. Registration doesn't really help, see the "ThomasMiller" troll on dpreview, he has a never-ending stream of new accounts, registration doesn't help with these trolls, only manual deletion of any newly detected account. So I think careful moderation - the way it currently is - is enough for the moment. This might change the more comments are made, but I'd favour to have the site admin to moderate, as he in the last consequence has the responsibility of this site and so has to decide what's over the top and what not. I don't think a rating system is of any real use - but why not give it a try? I don’t think registration will really help at this stage.
“This stage” is what is typical here in regards of comments, and apart from some very few comments almost all comments are within reasonable borders IMHO.

Registration doesn’t really help, see the “ThomasMiller” troll on dpreview, he has a never-ending stream of new accounts, registration doesn’t help with these trolls, only manual deletion of any newly detected account.

So I think careful moderation – the way it currently is – is enough for the moment. This might change the more comments are made, but I’d favour to have the site admin to moderate, as he in the last consequence has the responsibility of this site and so has to decide what’s over the top and what not.

I don’t think a rating system is of any real use – but why not give it a try?

]]> By: PHB http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11082 PHB Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:28:43 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11082 Actually, the lenses have traditionally been the reason for buying Nikon. And if you look at lens quality and the sheer number of lenses, Nikon wins. But Canon does have an advantage in a few areas. They have some fast primes and the f/4 zooms which are both much more interesting now that digital cameras with really high ISO are coming out. ISO 6400 and an f/1.4 allows indoor photography without flash. And if the light is there, f/4 works as well as f/2.8 for many applications. Thats not to say that Canon is better overall, just in a couple of areas. And that makes a bigger difference than an MX line would. The pushback from Nikon would probably be that they prefer to make variable focal length designs to f/4 constant aperture. Which certainly makes sense. And they seem to have plans for fast primes, or at the very least add AFS to their range of AF auto focus primes. Actually, the lenses have traditionally been the reason for buying Nikon. And if you look at lens quality and the sheer number of lenses, Nikon wins.

But Canon does have an advantage in a few areas. They have some fast primes and the f/4 zooms which are both much more interesting now that digital cameras with really high ISO are coming out. ISO 6400 and an f/1.4 allows indoor photography without flash. And if the light is there, f/4 works as well as f/2.8 for many applications.

Thats not to say that Canon is better overall, just in a couple of areas. And that makes a bigger difference than an MX line would.

The pushback from Nikon would probably be that they prefer to make variable focal length designs to f/4 constant aperture. Which certainly makes sense. And they seem to have plans for fast primes, or at the very least add AFS to their range of AF auto focus primes.

]]> By: PHB http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11081 PHB Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:19:53 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11081 Actually the perspective correction lenses do cover the postulated MX sensor area, and I doubt that is a coincidence as I commented at the time. It also explains why Nikon would launch the three lenses when they did rather than more urgent priorities (like my 80-400 AFS!) If Nikon does come out with an MX format the initial kit will cost $10K for body plus one lens. The reason being that if they cannot make that price point they are not going to compete with Mamiya and the baby 'blad. In fact it would have to come in even lower as they would have to be able to broaden the market to make it worthwhile. And on day one the other brands are going to look more attractive. The question to ponder here is quite whether this is worth the candle. At best you get a two stop improvement in pixelage or a one stop improvement in low light performance - sure your ISO will improve but your lenses will not. And in any case, this would be more of a studio camera where low light is not a factor. If MX was launched in 2009 it would be 2010 until the system was up to speed. Why not delay a year and release a 50MP F-mount camera in 2011? The bottleneck is not the sensor technology, its the processing and data readout. They could make a 50MP ISO 800 camera using the same technology that they are using in the D3x. The only reason to do different would be to do one of those periodic 'limited edition' camera systems that Nikon does from time to time. 10,000 numbered examples at $15K each makes $150million, not chump change. In normal economic times Nikon can do that game every five years or so. In this climate it would be a 'brave' decision. In this climate a better plan would be to upgrade the 80-400 and 85 f/1.4 to AFS and bring out a 70-200 that does not have the light falloff issues that the current one has. Actually the perspective correction lenses do cover the postulated MX sensor area, and I doubt that is a coincidence as I commented at the time. It also explains why Nikon would launch the three lenses when they did rather than more urgent priorities (like my 80-400 AFS!)

If Nikon does come out with an MX format the initial kit will cost $10K for body plus one lens. The reason being that if they cannot make that price point they are not going to compete with Mamiya and the baby ‘blad.

In fact it would have to come in even lower as they would have to be able to broaden the market to make it worthwhile. And on day one the other brands are going to look more attractive.

The question to ponder here is quite whether this is worth the candle. At best you get a two stop improvement in pixelage or a one stop improvement in low light performance – sure your ISO will improve but your lenses will not. And in any case, this would be more of a studio camera where low light is not a factor.

If MX was launched in 2009 it would be 2010 until the system was up to speed. Why not delay a year and release a 50MP F-mount camera in 2011? The bottleneck is not the sensor technology, its the processing and data readout. They could make a 50MP ISO 800 camera using the same technology that they are using in the D3x.

The only reason to do different would be to do one of those periodic ‘limited edition’ camera systems that Nikon does from time to time. 10,000 numbered examples at $15K each makes $150million, not chump change. In normal economic times Nikon can do that game every five years or so. In this climate it would be a ‘brave’ decision.

In this climate a better plan would be to upgrade the 80-400 and 85 f/1.4 to AFS and bring out a 70-200 that does not have the light falloff issues that the current one has.

]]> By: Pablov http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11079 Pablov Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:34:02 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11079 $1800 to rent it for how much time ? $1800 to rent it for how much time ?

]]> By: Pablov http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11078 Pablov Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:10:09 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11078 you're younger than I thought :) you’re younger than I thought :)

]]> By: Pablov http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11077 Pablov Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:06:58 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11077 Sometimes a comment derivates in a wider conversation :) Sometimes a comment derivates in a wider conversation :)

]]> By: Pablov http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11076 Pablov Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:05:18 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11076 I saw "senior posters" even Moderators, doing disasters... so I don't promote moderation by other people than the owner of the site. ("extra" people with "moderator" status use to loose their perspective and real position..) For me, only the Admin has proven a very good ethic and sense. I trust on him, and his moderation if he decides to do it (although that would require a lot of working time for him, and I do not think is very necessary so far) -- I agree with Ranger 9 about keeping our comments on the topic will keep better quality too. I'm not sure if that "karma" system would be useful here. that system is also possible to fake, and (in my opinion) very subjective, depending on the people who decides to vote. Maybe in another blog or site is good, bu t don't know how good or useful would be in this specific Blog. -- I don't mind the way NR is right now. I like it. Sometimes there are some posts with little offensive or rude words, but it's up to everyone's the importance you give to it... I saw “senior posters” even Moderators, doing disasters… so I don’t promote moderation by other people than the owner of the site. (“extra” people with “moderator” status use to loose their perspective and real position..)

For me, only the Admin has proven a very good ethic and sense.
I trust on him, and his moderation if he decides to do it (although that would require a lot of working time for him, and I do not think is very necessary so far)

– I agree with Ranger 9 about keeping our comments on the topic will keep better quality too.

I’m not sure if that “karma” system would be useful here. that system is also possible to fake, and (in my opinion) very subjective, depending on the people who decides to vote. Maybe in another blog or site is good, bu t don’t know how good or useful would be in this specific Blog.

– I don’t mind the way NR is right now. I like it.
Sometimes there are some posts with little offensive or rude words, but it’s up to everyone’s the importance you give to it…

]]> By: Pablov http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11075 Pablov Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:36:28 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11075 yes, probably, but Ken also reads Nikon Rumors !! :) yes, probably, but Ken also reads Nikon Rumors !! :)

]]> By: Anonymous http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11073 Anonymous Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:06:49 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11073 It's funny the biggest thread here is basically the result of an anonymous troll, with the ensuing avalanche of noise coming from non-anonymous users. People with egos to protect are always going to be the loudest. Anonymity and non-registration will keep NR culture fluid and growing. The culture here is turning out to be very positive: tongue-in-cheek and unimpressed by know-it-alls and general posturing. I think that enforcing registration and identity will quell the organic development we have going here, so I hope we don't go there. Rating individual messages, like the thumbs up/down system on YouTube, seems like a really good idea. -- Your neighborhood troll, Ken Rockwell impersonator, professional photographer, art school professor, anonymity rights advocate, and source of several NR leaks It’s funny the biggest thread here is basically the result of an anonymous troll, with the ensuing avalanche of noise coming from non-anonymous users. People with egos to protect are always going to be the loudest.

Anonymity and non-registration will keep NR culture fluid and growing. The culture here is turning out to be very positive: tongue-in-cheek and unimpressed by know-it-alls and general posturing. I think that enforcing registration and identity will quell the organic development we have going here, so I hope we don’t go there.

Rating individual messages, like the thumbs up/down system on YouTube, seems like a really good idea.

– Your neighborhood troll, Ken Rockwell impersonator, professional photographer, art school professor, anonymity rights advocate, and source of several NR leaks

]]> By: NYNY http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11071 NYNY Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:24:00 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11071 If nikon can make a MF camera at respectable price like at 12-14 k it will change the landscape of digital medium format cameras. More prople would be able afford it. Here in NY it costs. 1800 dollars to rent a Hasselblad digital camera. If nikon can make a MF camera at respectable price like at 12-14 k it will change the landscape of digital medium format cameras. More prople would be able afford it. Here in NY it costs. 1800 dollars to rent a Hasselblad digital camera.

]]> By: B Neuman http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11070 B Neuman Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:03:27 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11070 LOL... I glad we have ken to set the standard. LOL… I glad we have ken to set the standard.

]]> By: [NR] admin http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11068 [NR] admin Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:07:54 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11068 I have to look into this Karma system and how difficult will be to implement. Hopefully WordPress has a plug-in. I have to look into this Karma system and how difficult will be to implement. Hopefully WordPress has a plug-in.

]]> By: [NR] admin http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/29/the-nikon-d3x-gave-medium-format-looking-files-with-all-the-flexibility-of-the-nikkor-lens-system.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-11067 [NR] admin Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:05:36 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=1857#comment-11067 I wouldn't say fake - I was just putting the D3x comment from Tim Andrew in context: they may not release a MX camera. No solid info so far. I wouldn’t say fake – I was just putting the D3x comment from Tim Andrew in context: they may not release a MX camera. No solid info so far.

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