What some Pro would appreciate (despite some people could say) is a really Pro HD Video mode (thus manual exposure, manual settings, etc)
THAT has a Big potential.

I don’t think NIkon is so silly to not realize that…

The D90’s movie was just the 1st experimental step. Much more is required to be a pro tool (and thus reach wider market/sales)

Take a look at Canon 5D Mark II’s sample videos… They are samples, they are short, but still showing huge potential -DPReview has just posted 2, and there are some others around-

Look at those low-light footages…and the smoothness of moving subjects. It’s like recording movie/video with a pro camera worthly several thousands $$ (and you can use all the lenses you already have)

NIKON: we hope you are working on it too

But I know discussions ocurr often here, even when this is a rumor site.

If a forum is added, it would be nice to have sections for more than just discussion, for instance to make/answer questions or solve problems, share information, make suggestions to Nikon, etc.
But in that case the site wouldn’t be for rumors, and you might have more work

Not sure what to say about that.
Sorry

In the DPReview’s sample videos, they have very few frames when the image turns almost B&W (if you pause and check them carefully, you can see it’s not entirely B&W but with some kind of light-blue areas..) I think that is intentional, not a deffect itself as someone noted. Maybe a kind of “watermark” or something they intentionally did.
I didn’t see any similar “B&W” frames in other sample videos of the 5D MkII

Don’t evaluate streaming videos. Download them and play from your hard drive (with different players, because some will deliver different qualities too if they are at full HD…)

Here there are some links to sample videos (unfortunatelly most of them are downsized, but again: Download and play them back from your computer, Not streaming)

http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3

Dear Admin: sorry if some of these posts are bothering. I just wanted to make a fear comparison, some evaluation, and even (hopefully) encourage Nikon to improve their own (probably) implementation
Thanks a lot.

The 5 secs. files are huge (in terms of resolution/MB/s) and even a really FAST computer hardly display the movie smoothly.

I have 2 Opteron CPUSs, 4 cores running at 2.8Ghz each, and a normal player couldn’t do a very good job.

I did run a single-threaded video player and it didn’t do it well with that files.
I don’t know (and didn’t look for) a multi-threaded player, maybe it exists, not sure)

I didn’t have time for that, and simply rezised the movie to a little smaller resolution and it played smoothly…

I admit it is not the best HD video, but come on, it’s the 1st really Full 1920×1080 HD DSLR ever….

And the quality is FAR better than D90’s. It has no even comparison.

This is going to be improved, that’s obvious, that’s what I mean with a really Pro tool. The 1st step is done, and very good indeed (I’m taling about the 5D MkII’s)

And they do not look pathetic at all.
I have Nikon gear, and hope Nikon do a good job in this area too, but I can admit when other brand offer a better (yet) implementation.

If you get some kind of freezing or not smooth motion, it’s your computer, not the video itself.

The only thing I did observe is the smoothness in the legs of the woman when walking in Movie2
Even the man on the bike, the cars and stuff on street (movie1) looked very good when the movie is played properly.

Take a look at other samples, for better evaluation. Specially those with low light, and changing lights

i honestly have NO idea exactly how well the AutoFocus will work for a while. The camera systems for Nikon and Canon arent designed for Contrast Detect AF (yet, i believe) and i do strongly have a feeling Canon will have a distinct advantage in implementing a strong system due to their much more extencive experience in Video Camera’s. i hate to say this, but i seriously hope Nikon hasn’t bitten off more than they can chew with chosing to implement Video recording onto devices that where expressly designed NOT for such…

you know all photographers in the world, and of course all the Pros in the world, and all the movie makers in the world, and all the magazines, … ie the entire whole world (am I forgetting something?)
And don’t even talk to any that carries the label “Pro” in his personal card. Most of those Pros are just oldmen with unflexible way to see and use the tools the technology offers.

Move makers are paying attention, yes. Not “Hollywood” movie makers, but I suposse you already know, since you know everything, that there are OTHER types of movie makers…. don’t you?

Anyway, take a look at this short preview and pay Attention to what he says about future DSLR (it’s not just my opinion):

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/videos/5DMKII-preview.shtml

Even though, I don’t guess you are going to change your mind, because stones remain stones, and the only valid point of view is yours, and of course the rude man likes to treat others rude.
“end of story”

“i dont care where you sourced your info from. bookmark this page and get back to me when the d3x is released”
- I don’t say that selfish BS, I just say “bookmark this page and get back in the future, and review your own words. Pro DSLRs ARE going to include HD Movie (sooner or later, maybe not the next D3x) BECAUSE there is a BIG market for it, it’s not just my idea, it’s a matter of business and some others…)
If you don’t know the area or don’t like it, it doesn’t matter.

Pro DSLR does not need Movie, sure, but in terms of convenience, sales, and functionability, versatility, they will include it, if the manufacturer is smart enough.

D300 ARE used by Pros, in many events, but maybe you only know your city or whatever you live in.

Better you go some other place to see what’s going on.
AND remember… “events” ARE NOT THE ONLY jobs that “Professionals” do…

Have fun with the mirror, I don’t like to talk to ppl who enter to a page/forum just to state facts.
I don’t do that, just give you a bit of your own medicine

Cheers. And be happy.

movie makers paying attention ? BS they are. what a load of total rubbish. the equipment they use is FAR more advanced and of exceptional quality. you have no clue what you are talking about.

PJ’s will not use a D3x for one reason. cos it wont be fast enuf. simple as that. it will not be 8fps. forget it.

LV: dont talk out of your behind. studio phtoographers do not use LV alot. thats compelte crap. you got that out of a dslr marketing brochure. if its a true studio photographer they will not even be using a dslr. reframing in LV is MUCH slower and MUCH more difficult.

studio models are constantly moving to get different angles, different takes and different compostiions. this cannot be done in LV cos it is too slow and too static.

i’ve read pro reports about the MkII, guess whats on their website though ? PHOTOS. the video is pure canon marketing. do you think chase jarvis is using MM on a d90 just cos hedid nikon a favour by producing the video ? grow up.

RE: what is a pro camera. its simple, any camera can be USED by a pro. but that doesnt make them a pro camera. cos you obviously have no clue what the pros really need. not weekend warriors, i’m talking PROFESSIONALS. take a look at any major event and tell me how many d300’s and 5d’s you see. NONE. take a look at how many of them are using LV…NONE. there is a reason for that.

perhaps you should gain an understanding of the industry before you mouth off.

i cant even believe you are citing them as an example of what movie mode should look like. they look pathetic.

It’s only 5 secs each video, but … make look the D90’s movies as a really cheap-home-made movie

I Really hope Nikon improves their own implementation, and make it professional…

HD movie recording, like in D90, is basically “sending Liveview to memory” (unlike Canon 5DmkII). It’s not so “engineering consuming”.

So they might as well include it, as a “gadget”, that 95% of traditional D3 users will not use. 5% will find it amusing or useful.
And then there will be people buying it for that “gadget”.
And new clients are always welcome ;op

“i dont care where you sourced your info from. bookmark this page and get back to me when the d3x is released.” : Do yourself the same, and check future Nikon & Canon Pro DSLRs too.

Sometimes they are late realizing the needs of Pro/Prosumers/Consumers, but they finally do for their own convenience.

It’s not only a matter of marketing, but also the possibilities you can achieve with them (or not, if you Only take ONLY pictures in the traditionalist way the rest of your life) In that case you won’t need any new camera and you’ll be happy not worrying about new releases.

#1: you may not like or even use “movie mode”, but many ones will and actually do (HDMI output for instance)

There are “pros” in many areas, not only shooting events (whatever their kind might be)

Many movie makers are paying especially attention to this feature in DSLRs since the Big possibilities it offers against much more expensive devices

And as Reg mentioned, many photojournalists are going to be recording video. Is a matter of time and vision. Maybe you don’t like it or don’t see, but will happen.

Another example: Just review what happened to newspaper on internet. Today their digital version offer reports, pictures AND videos.
It’s easy to see what’s going on and what the needs of a newspaper are for today and “tomorrow”

LiveView: At studio shooting LV is used A LOT, instead of putting your eye on the body every shooting or re-framing operation

#3: not always 24fps are better than 30 or even 60. Flexibility is a virtue.
It depends on the use for the final footage. Again, the needs of “pro” may differ.

#5: wrong, for the above reasons.

Canon: cleverly implemented it in the 5D mark II (and improved over the D90’s).
You can read some “Pro” reports about it and how much impressed they were, and the possibilities that offers (since you only seem to consider comments by “pros”)

And rest asured that they will do the same on future “pro” line.

Nikon can do whatever they want to do, sure, and they might realize late (or not, let’s see soon),
But future “pro” DSLR will also include HD video mode.

And despite you call the 5D mk II a “prosumer”, the “pro” and “prosumer” difference is Lot of the times just a psycological line (and price difference), more than a technical one.
The same way, you can call a D300 “prosumer”… but lot of pros use them.

In any case, a “prosumer” would be a “D90″, but as everyone knows, a real “pro” photographer can take good pictures using an “amateur” camera, or even a consumer one.

“end of the story”

BTW: canon does NOT do it now at all. the 5d is not a pro spec camera. it is a prosumer. canons pro range are the 1D series.

i am not knocking video. i think its a clever addition to a consumer camera. i am responding to the usual nonsesne from pubescent nikon fanboy teens saying it MUST have video. thats just pure nonsense.

my other facts are misleading ? how so ?
1. does not NEED video. how is this misleading ?
2. will NOT have 9fps. it wont.
3. 24fps DOES produce nicer results. its more film like.
4. you obviously have no idea how to use strobes

i dont care where you sourced your info from. bookmark this page and get back to me when the d3x is released.

Nikon have already said that they are trailing D90 movie function to see whether it’s something pros might need in the future. With Canon doing it now, I see no reason as to why Nikon’s next pro line will not have this function.

Secondly, your other ‘facts’ are bunch of misleading points you concluded from reading too much off the internet. Have some back up of information if you plan to make sweeping statements… For instance, I also work as a director of photography for short films, and I would kill for a Nikon body with movie functions which I can use with my existing lenses/video equipment. So while it is not a ‘must have’ tick box, yes, it would be great if it had it.

Oh yea, and I sourced my D90 comment above from British Journal of Photography (when they announced D90 issue few weeks back)