Update: the ad says “Big” in Japanese. My first D700 picture was… weird and I updated it. I will create a different post for that story.
Is it just me again, or this mount looks to big? Can anyone translate the text?
My observation is that the red grip and the mount are different from the current full frame Nikon D700 and D3 models:
What say you?
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Sorry for my question:
Where did this ad/photo/rumor come from?
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The mirror is too big. The DX cameras use a mirror that’s only big enough for the smaller sensor. This camera has a mirror that fills the mount, just like the FX cameras.
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The shutter is retracted to show that big sensor!
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Wow, the real Camerons Brother, maybe
Or it just Cameron again, pretending he has a brother that has all the upcoming info>?
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It could be a large sensor on a smaller body, or a larger sensor on a smaller one…
I’m still not sure which way to go, but this one could be legit (but just as well could not be!)
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Oops, typo. I meant to say, it could be a FF sensor on a smaller body, or an MX sensor on a pro level body, with mount of about the same proportionate size
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Either way, why pretend to be somebody who’s been found-out to be a phony?
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A good question indeed…
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Maybe he knows because he’s the one that Photoshopped it?
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Japanese text means “Large format”.
And the pic shows the camera is small.
で、結局おまえらは買うの？どうするの？
つか、日本語表示できるか？
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Man, this is CLEARLY fake. Look at the small pin for the AI indexing. This has to be presnt in FX or DX mount to support older lenses, but if Nikon would release a new MX format (with a new, bigger mount), why to add an AI tab? This one is ridiculous, and the one that did the fake ad didn’t know what this pin was for, I’m pretty sure.
d.
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More on the Nikon ad
Some more thoughts on the Nikon “BIG” ad from Japan:I do agree that Otoji, BIG and MX do not fit all together. Maybe Otoji really got canceled, or maybe those are multiple projects going at the same time.The wording “BIG” doesn’t make sense in Japanese, but remember the leaked Nikon D700 brochure - the English text did not make any sense either (see here and here).A reader sent me an interesting side by side comparison (thanks D.K.) - the D700 does look smaller:Emerging from the darkness camera ads are typical for Nikon (and Canon). Here are some examples (thanks D.S.) …
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I don’t understand those too either - they are pretending to know something but they do not want to talk to me. Oh well, I have enough sources as it is.
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I don’t think so.
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If true, how would the PC-E lenses be mounted?
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The PC-E lenses will need a new mount to fit on a new bayonet, so it’s not inconcievable that they will have a locking pin
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oooooh!
takai ne…
big! big!
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>Can anyone translate the text?
it says NIKON RUMORS dot COM
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I’m going to say it’s going to be the D3x - Ken Rockwell (http://www.kenrockwell.com) definately seems convinced that Nikon’s going to release the D3x in January.
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Looks more like the D800 you can find here:
http://www.roumazeilles.net/news/en/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/nikon_d800.jpg
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the prism on the ad is way bigger
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I think it’s a fake because of the electrical contacts. They are shown here on the exact same scale relative to the rest of the mount as on the D3 and D700. However, in a new mount, the size of the individual electrical contacts would stay the same, even if their number varied.
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Note the lack of an inbody focus screw.
The mount (compare to the red thing) does look slightly bigger, but thatcould be just me
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大きい means ‘big’
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yes, there is no Nikon FF body without the focus screw
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First the printer photos get leaked, then we get factory cellphone photos and sketchy model numbers before the official announcement comes. If this is legit, it looks like a new camera, as the mount is much closer to the grip (see distance from red ’swish’ to mount on leaked photo and compare to D3/D700)
Awesome find! Now we need someone to translate to English.
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Let’s don’t forget that this also could be a prank, but it looks real to me - that’s why I posted it. Remember the D700 brochure leak from the Chinese manufacturer? Maybe this is from the same guy…
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good point - I did not notice this one
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The Japanese simply says “big”
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a-ha!
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Not only the missing focus screw, but also the lever inside the mount on the left side which closes the aperatures down at time of exposure.
The only current lenses which don’t require this are the PC-E nikkors (these lenses also have an oversized image circle)
Maybe an MX system with 24mm f3.5 / 45mm f2.8 / 85mm f2.8 for starters?
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could be either D40, D40X or D60 but photoshop made the mount much bigger and brushed over the lever and that black dot thingy under red triangle
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not that it debunks it in any way, but if true it would mean the rumors about a square sensor with crop modes would be incorrect.
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Look, I am not one of those “everything is a fake” or “guilty until proven in a store” types but I am in marketing. And it seems to me that it is strange that the creative team at Nikon would use the same type of peeking light with their introduction that Canon just did with the 5dMkII. In other words, which is more likely:
A) Nikon is lazy, not creative, and a marketing copy cat
or
B) A trickster is lazy, not creative, and a marketing copy cat
If I am wrong then maybe I should go apply for a marketing position at Nikon. Anyone who can look at Canon’s ads from a few weeks before will never be short on “good” ideas.
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Looks like a 40MP ”BIG” mouth! What about this D700’s photo ? This camera doesn’t exist…
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Or,
C) The Japanese are crazy for the image of a new product emerging from the darkness…
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/d3/img/downloads/D3_2_1600×1200.jpg
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Good Catch! And with Nikon releasing the PC-E’s when nobody wanted then, new tech, hmmmm
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No, the shape of the swoop is wrong
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Uh, take a look at the mount on the side closest to the grip–there should be a lip for the lens to lock onto. There are two others on this mount image, but the one closest to the aperture arm is just plain missing. That would be mechanically unstable. A larger than standard F lens dangling from two slivers of metal seems unplausible. Otherwise this looks just like the standard F mount sans screw drive.
This looks to me to be just a bad PS job, or a marketing graphic and not a picture of a real camera.
The only positive thing this ad could be is an FX d40 (not bloody likely!).
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i’d say especially not likely due to the fact the d40 series has never had a front command dial.
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i should add… did anyone happen to notice the mirror… it’s got the reflective qualities of a CCD, not a mirror… hmm.
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Maybe we’re not seeing a bigger mount; maybe it’s a smaller grip. In other words, a P+S with a full-frame sensor.
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It’s true that 大きい means Big. As a native Japanese, however, I would never use this particular word in an ad. It just doesn’t sound right to me - as my English probably doesn’t to you guys. I bet this is a fake by somebody who doesn’t really know Japanese.
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has anybody looked at the Mk III Box compared to the much longer, widely used Nikon Coolpix Boxes? i’d post sample pictures but i dont know how to in text html… but they both also use that “spotlight” affect! and it seems to me that Nikon has used the Marketing longer and on a wider product base!
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hahaha, Kendall needs to go back to marketing school…
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im sure someone wanted them… but i was actually thinking back earlier this year why release so many, what i consider “small market” lenses in one lump batch. this starts to make some sense… but it is still somewhat sketchy on a larger sensor…
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How about: same glass-different barrels.
The PC lenses have always been reasonably simple optical designs (the entire optical unit moves as a single block for focussing) not unlike the new 50mm f1.4
This would make the design and manufacture of a new barrel a relativly straight foward process
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I say… that D700’s photo in this news is a fake.
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The ratio of the mount external/internal diameters on this photo is 1.25.
The ratio on a D700 body is 1.25.
My guess :
- the mount is unchanged, the grip is just smaller.
or …
- it is a stupid faked image, printed to paper so that people dont try to analyse it.
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Unless the lens has a larger flange on one side than on the others - in which case the mounting instructions are “hold the lens like this, put the larger flange into the mount on the body like so, push the lens flush with the mount and give it a quarter turn”
My apologies for the analogy to any Americans, but it’s how the lid of a teapot usually works
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Your D700 photo is not a real D700. Look at the rubber cover.
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a micro 4thirds killer?
nice idea.
not really big though, when the “big” campain started with the wedding & portrait crowd…
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Even the D700 shown above is not exactly the real thing. Observe the knobs to the left of pentaprism and those rubber covers on the right side for the sync terminals, on the production D700 it’s not arranged as such.
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The missing bayonet cam is weird.
If Nikon were switching to two cams, you think they’d put them on opposite sides of the mount. For example, from 12:00 to 2:00 and 6:00 to 8:00, instead of the pictured 12:00 to 2:00 and 4:00 to 6:00.
If you’re going to fake something, though, why go to extra effort to make it seem fake?
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No, your teapot analogy is spot on! What happens when you try to pour the last bit with only one hand? Falling off if you tip too far one direction is hardly acceptable behaviour for what would likely be expensive glass.
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While the people above seem to think that this means there is no mirror, they fail to notice something else missing: a shutter.
Methinks this is just somebody bored having fun at this site’s expense.
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It looks D40-size (or even smaller) cam with full-size sensor to me. Calling the smallest camera as “oh-key(big)” because of its sensor size seems much more interesting than just calling big one as “Big”.
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e…
Actually, it is Japanese.
The chinese guy leak out rumors but no one believe him…
So he leaked the brochure…..
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Hi, I just forwarded the picture to a japanese friend. She stated that the text means “big” “huge” “tall” - now guess what…
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just email them to me - I will post the pictures
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How about we simplify a few things? No MX, no huge sensor. This is a FX-format rangefinder style camera without mirror and motor drive. This is also why they released a 50mm 1.4 afs this month! If this is the same sensor as that in D3/D700 I am putting myself on whatever waiting list exists.
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And one more thing. The layout of the front esp. the part where the mount goes higher than the swoosh is very much like the D60 front.
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I’m saying fake. What sense would there be in an ad that hides the camera and reveals the flange + sensor? It makes no marketing sense at all, except as a troll to create excitement in this forum.
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そうおもう！ I think this is it. Just a bad PS job w/ someone who thought that copying “BIG” (in Japanese) from Yakugo.com would be enough to get everyone lathered up. Well, ev’one’s lathered up, but I’m not buying it. I’ve only been here 6+ yrs, so I’m not exactly an expert, but I’ll have to say that it doesn’t convince me.
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small body full frame? a full frame rangefinder???
but what IS strange is that grip. the red triangle doesn’t mach with any current grip model. The D40 looks most like it, but still different. and that front command dial???
and most of all, no focus motor??
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I just noticed a small detail. The mount has 8 contact points, whereas current mounts (at least in my D80 and F55) have 7.
New electronic aperture system maybe? To make up for the lack of the aforementioned lever.
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Sorry, disregard my comment, I just realized that the D700 and D3 both have 8 contact points too.
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I’m a halfie (or double, as is now vogue to say in japan for us) and grew up in the states so my japanese isn’t perfect, but that was my first thought, as well. Maybe not impossible, but odd.
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I had a desktop wallpaper that Nikon released just after announcing the D200, and its an almost identical shot. There are also brochured for the F5 system using a similar technique. it’s just a marketing cliche.
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The new pic does not match with the “Nikon MX picture (warning: tiny picture)” of 28th of september… One of the two is a fake if they are both related to “MX” format
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This is definitely a fake because:
- The registration marks do not lign up correctly.
- On the bottom right of the pic the registration marks even cross the crop marks. Very sloppy.
- Nikon Logo looks fuzzy and blurred, most likely because a low resolution website logo was used to make this ‘ad’ and then may have bled while being printed on the cheap inkjet/laserprint made that is supposed to be a ‘proof’.
- Japanese prepress settings normally include ‘double’ crop marks, indicating both bleed and crop areas.
- No page information (not even a file name) in the slug area. Sloppy.
- Colour bar on the left should generally be a solid ‘overprint’ bar
In short, looks like someone did a sloppy Photoshop job, then probably imported it into Illustrator (I’d guess v10) and printed it out and took a picture of it. Or took parts of a picture of a proof and photoshopped them around this ‘creation’, resulting in the silly alignment?
Either way, must try harder.
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This camera doesn’t exist, have a nice day.
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How do you know, brother of Cameron?
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I would say maybe.
Considering the talk of Nikon producing a new rangefinder.
Also I would not expect the image to look perfect since this is not “official info from Nikon.
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I could be wrong, but this camera has a mirror in it. Rangefinders, correct me if I’m wrong, don’t have mirrors.
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True, missed that, either way with all the talk of a D3X or D4 or whatever, it could be something.
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That’s not the only thing wrong with the mount. If you look closely you can see a meter coupling lever, just like the one on the D3, D700 and F6 for that matter.
I wouldn’t expect a meter coupling lever on a camera without aperture coupling lever, because the mount would most likely be completely electric (just like the Canon EF is).
At least I would expect that, since Nikon would most certainly do a complete redesign of the lens mount.
I think it’s photoshopped, and not very good at that.
Martin
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It may well be fake, but not for any of those reasons. The layout of printers’ marks varies; to suggest that there’s a rigid worldwide standard is just wrong. The marks look fine — and actually, the fact that the background bleeds past the crop marks indicates that whoever did this wasn’t a complete rank amateur.
The Nikon logo is fuzzy because the whole image is fuzzy.
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The same way he knew that the new 50mm had no rubber seal (it does) and that the optical design was identical to the old 50mm (it isn’t).
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Sorry if this has been said before.
I think this is the promo for Nikon’s new MX format camera that is going to be unveiled at WPPI 2009!
The reason why I think this is because I stumbled upon this article: http://20years.net/blogg/?p=439
The whole “BIG” thing fits in aswel as the rumours about it being released at WPPI and the date of release.
Busted?
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My 24mm PC-E is good even when shifted to the max (read: Would be fine on a larger sensor), little bit of light falloff though, easily fixed in PP.
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Might not be a mirror, but the sensor itself (shutter open). Clean your sensor in good lighting and sensors can have a very similar shine to it. Not saying it isn’t a mirror though, just that it could also be the sensor.
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I’d like to add another thing: There’s another clue, which makes me believe it is photoshopped.
The mount looks exactly like the one in the picture of the D3 (except of course the aperture coupling lever and the autofocus drive shaft). The shadow thrown by the lens release pin is exactly the same, and the tiny shadow of the meter coupling lever is exactly the same.
If you erase the aperture coupling lever and the autofocus shaft, you’d get exactly the mount above. And if the erasing isn’t done carefully, you’d lose the lug on this side as well.
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One thing which is worth thinking of is the combination of the word “Big” and the choice of picture to it. I mean, Its kind of striking that they only show the sensor and little else of the camera. If this is legit, it at least could hint that the major thing is the new sensor size and less regarding the camera body.
But if its the sensor that they will reveal, why the wide format. It doesn’t make sense with all the previous reports of a more square type sensor.
unless its the mirror they show, of which not all of it will be seen in the viewfinder.
My 2 cents worth….
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Thank you for the information!
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How do you clean your shutter? Hopefully not through the closed shutter.
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Agreed a third flange is needed. Could be that the 3rd flange is a locking pin that goes into a recess on the lens that we are just not seeing in this shot. Part of a new lock/unlock mechanism?
If so why would the standard lock pin be there though?
Hmmmm I’d say 40/60 shot of this being legit.
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i think i’ve just busted this one..
BECAUSE:
the D40 doesn’t have the focus motor, correct..
ALTROUGH, the D40/D60 F mount uses SIX screws placed at 35, 93, 155, 212, 270, and 327 degree, with lens release at 0 degree.
AAAND all the rest of nikon’s F mount cameras with the motor uses only 5 screws, placed at 50, 130, 212, 270, and 327 degree, with lens release at 0 degree. again..
our image have this 5-screw scheme, but where is the focus drive??? why would nikon chance such a thing? for me, fake.
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Could it be a D90 class FF camera without a focus drive?
But why? The mount seems to come from a FF body. But the placement suggests a smaller camera and no focus drive. It could be a sub $1000 FF camera. The D90x or something.
Personally I think busted.
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I noticed that the camera mount in the picture lacks a autofocus drive shaft (should be lower left) and aperture lever (should be left). I doubt that this is even a pro camera.
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I think that expression to [大きい] looks childish for the camera of the professional medium format of this kind.
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Remember the leaked D700 brochure - the English was horrible
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i agree with you,
this looks like D40 body with full frame sensor
they already had the FX Pro and semi pro
maybe they will sell FX DSLR for amateur too
the lack of focusing screw & the distance from the metal mount to grip also justify this.
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