I got this image as a follow up to this story which was based on the “Big” post. This is suppose to be a cell phone spy shot related to Otoji, but I do not know yet what does it say:
Here is another trackback on this topic.
Comments, translations, interpretations are welcome. This could be HUGE! I can’t wait to hear what you have to say.
Translation:
M1 Development Plan
device MX format
device FX format
device DX format
right page (not related to camera)
about Frugality
how to save money
how to save Food expenses
how many time go to store
etc.
- the word otooji means “parent’s younger brother; uncle”
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The only relevant info is “MX Format”, which one could figure out without any Japanese knowledge. Would it mean medium format?
I’d rather see a rangefinder myself.
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The implications of this image are pretty clear to me: Nikon is planning to introduce a third image format, named MX, which will complement FX and DX. MX will be 54×54 mm, almost as big as Hasselblad negatives.
Here’s my reasoning. The image shows FX as 4256×2832 and MX as 6380×6380. Take 36mm, divide by 4256, and multiply by 6380, and you get 53.96.
I’m guessing that the “hsx” means high-speed mode.
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I see 3 nikon formats: MX, FX, DX,
and I see a square 40M pixels MX format. But I can’t read Japanese…
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Translation:
“I dunt raed Japanise veri welli”
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Wait a minute, I also see that it will use the F mount and you will be able to use FX and DX lenses (see the FX possible formats). This is cool.
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I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that MX is something pretty awesome. Is this the ‘BIG’ thing that Nikon has been spewing about? Wouldn’t it make sense for portrait photographers to have a medium-format camera? Better start saving your coin, boys…
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+1 Yoyonel: Looks like a new format, medium format-like, with the options to have (from top to bottom): 40,7Mp 27,2Mp or 18,1Mp.
The FX possibilites are the already known 12,1Mp, 10,1Mp or 8Mp.
Besides that, we need some japanese skills
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I deeply feel MX stands for Medium, like “Medium Format”
My wish : an affordable 6×7 digital cam !!
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the katakana (letters) after MX, FX and DX read “foomatto”, i.e. “format”, thats what my modest japanese skills allow me to read. and yes, looks like the new baby is called “M1″, following the tradition of F1 and D1.
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Yeah, looks like MX with medium format cameras coming to Nikon - start the rumors. I will buy one! Unless they have a hasselblad price and i have to buy new lenses.
To bad it wasn’t written in spanish - I can speak/read spanish.
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I prefer not to comment at this point - yes some of the letters and numbers are obvious but I will let the readers lead this discussion. This could be HUGE!!!
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I just noticed,… maybe instead of different resolutions, maybe this is a table of removable backs or other exchangable sensor options for the new cam… because the current FX cams don’t let you chose square resolutions… figure this: old lenses + FX back, new lenses (M-Gs??) + MX back…
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huge? or big?……..
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Yeah, also: M as in Modular, not as in Medium Format, eh?
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old news… nikon already have a digital MF since spring
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I got the humor
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http://www.flickr.com/groups/nikondslr/discuss/72157606453424779/
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This is very exciting.
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I’m a Japanese. I thought that right page is suspicious.
It’s seemed like a description of cooking or something. Is that really Nikon’s documents? I guess fake.
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Um…just had a Japanese friend of mine translate what she could of the text on the page to the right. The text is apparently concerning ways to save money for example by using bought groceries fully and not leaving waste.I guess this was a rather funny prank, then.
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cookies???
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Medium format cookies??
yummy
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Looks like it’s got worse banding than the D200!
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Or…maybe, just maybe, could it be…yes it could! It’s Nikon giving instructions in the user manual about how to cope after spending all your money on the fancy new M1!
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Um.. if it IS a screenie, maybe its just another window floating on top? And why didn’t you let your Japanese friend translate the important bits on the left too? I did some googling and think Thedetective is right about that other writing, but what about the rest? Call your friend!
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I wonder if this something like the Mamiya ZD digital back.
Wouldn’t it be safe for Nikon to produce just the back that is compatible with Mamiya, Contax and Hassiblad systems, rather than inventing and investing a totally new system?
No wonder Pentax culled their digital 645 attempt.
Do like the portrait and landscape 645 mode.
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The kanji at the left of “M1″ means “research/development plan”, just FYI.
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Of course I did ask for translation and more info.
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Why would he/she leave the cookie portion in the image - he/she could submit cropped left side only?
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*thinks back to the rumor about a camera with interchangable sensors*
http://nikonrumors.com/2008/07/24/nikon-d700-is-just-a-distraction-the-real-surprise-is-still-to-come.aspx
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Definitely fake.
Left page says sensor development plan.
Otherwise right page says “How to save your money at daily shopping for house wife”
Author should pick better pics.
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Just a thought on the cookery stuff.
When designing a publication, I remember using gobbledegook latin to fill the text areas if the intended text hadn’t been finalised. Could the cookery stuff be something similar?
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M1 Development Plan
device MX format
device FX format
device DX format
right page (not Related about camera
About Frugality
how to save money
how to save Food expenses
how many time go to store
etc.etc.
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Crap, what happened to my D3x or D4?
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Thanks - I posted it.
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6380×6380 and MX ..must be the digital 6X6 medium format ..Although I thought it would not be revealed until feb 2009 for release june 2009
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The source did say (in the previous comments) that this is targeted for March 2009.
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Seems odd for Nikon to get into the medium format realm, don’t you think? A very high quality rangefinder would appear to be a better guess/hope/rumor. Also a very high cool factor if we were to see a retro-style Nikon SP-D to challenge the Leica M8, at say the 18-20MP range?
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I find right page source.
here
http://doraku.asahi.com/money/chie/080616.html
Wada yuki’s money saving tips
google translate here
http://translate.google.co.jp/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdoraku.asahi.com%2Fmoney%2Fchie%2F080616.html&sl=ja&tl=en&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8
I think it’s bad joke.:)
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just medium apparently…
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Well, I thought so too, but think about it.. you go have lunch break, browse some pages you like, leave desk to go to eat, leave windows open? I returned from my lunch today to find my work open and nikonrumors page half over it. If someone took a shot, is it still fake? (OFC no one here is interested in my excel spreadshhets :P)
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This just doesn’t make sense. Nikon would have to change mount, redesign all lenses, etc. And build a mosnter body, which no Nikon shooter except maybe those who also have Hassys would be interested.
Forget it, just a prank.
Now: a modular FX makes sense, accepting both 12MP and 24MP sensor units, which you could change yourself. One in D3 size and other in D700 size, fps and buffer load would change accordingly when sensor module plugs in. Would save money for Nikon to have 4 different possiblities in FX, just 2 assembly lines.
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A medium format dslr that is the same size of a D3 but lets you choose from square 40.7mp to vertical or horizontal Fx. No need for dual hand grips!! Brilliant. Or its just the size of the cookies in pixels.
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The press conference is still planned for tomorrow here in France. But who knows what Mr. Nikon will get our of his magic hat? Still, there should be plenty of things in it…
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this is really the logical next step for nikon in terms of increasing resolution without sacrificing dynamic range.
this may sound dumb but if they can produce a bigger sensor that will work with existing fx lenses (not cropped) they have a winner!
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..hmm.. is this a schematic of the new sensor array?
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..is this a schematic of the new MX Sensor aray?
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Why would they have to change the mount?
Why wouldn’t they just make lenses with larger image circles to cover the larger format this way the new lenses would be compatible with FX and DX (just change the backs on the camera or put them on a FX or DX body). Nikon can design lenses with large image circles (look at the tilt-shift lenses) I think that if such a camera did exist they would keep the lens mount the same but the lenses for it would be larger than the average Nikkor, around the same size as the tilt shifts or lenses like the 105VR and pricy like the tilt-shifts.
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Makes sense to me. What in cooking would have
M1 Development Plan
device MX format
device FX format
device DX format
It could also be a humorous addition, an internal joke within Nikon as any medium format camera will be crazy expensive in the $25,000 range minimum. The Japanese do have a sense of humor.
I’ll probably never have one myself but I do have customers who would buy one (then with the commission I may eventually be able to afford one).
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The camera would most likely be larger than a D3 to accommodate the larger sensor but Nikon has made magic happen before.
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Sorry it was not so helpful as I hoped. Difficult to find better things, many parts I have no axes to. My friend said these numbers would be ueful, sorry it was only cookie cooking? We see a lot of screen but no idea of suefulnes. Maybe you can give us a one example of what you wish to see?
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What we would like to see is more detailed specs (lens, mount, sensor, etc.) blueprints/image of the product - basically anything you can get would be of great interest.
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For a larger larger image circle wouldn’t they just have to move the lens further away from the film plane?
I mean think of it, it’s basically a funnel of light emitted out the back of our lenses, so the further away the film, or in this case sensor plane is, the larger the patch of light would be.
Ever looked inside of a Hassy? The last element in the lens is quite a bit away from the shutter.
Most of the lenses already have enough resolving power that, in my mildly knowledgeable mind, they should work just fine.
Dang, this would be exciting! Makes me wish that I had a house to mortgage!
-peter
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Hm.. with regards to te alleged press conference in France; Since Nikon barred all French press from the D90 previews (Due to violations of NDA’s, allegedly), do we really think Nikon will launch a new flagship in France so shortly after the D90 announcement?
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Peter, simply moving a lens away from the film plane to accomodate a bigger mirror box won’t work with any of the F-mount lenses (if that is what is being suggested) as you would lose infinity fcus. A bit like adding an extension tube, mackes your lens more Macro then MX…
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Whoknows is absolutely correct, the easiest thing to do is design a lens with greater coverage. I take back my size comment before as many medium format lenses can be quite compact (thinking back to my old Bronica 645 RF I had my Pentax 67 lenses, Nikkor tilt shift and my friends hassy lenses in mind when I wrote that. Nikon does have allot of experience with lenses that produce a larger image circle LF, MF (for bronica) and the tilt-shifts if any company can design a lens with a larger image circle for the existing F mount to go MF it is Nikon.
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Sorry, one coffee morning,
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It would also have to accommodate a rather large mirror mechanism (unless its a RF).
Come to think of it how would the mirror mechanism work on such a beast so that F-mount would still work?
The mirror would have to move differently than a mirror in an FX camera. There would be no room for it to go up and down in a normal fashion unless they went to a new lens mount or a rangefinder camera.
hmmm
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Why not a double mirror, divided in the middle half going up and half going down. That would leave a thin line in the viewfinder when composing but I could live with that.
Maybe it could slide backwards and up before swinging up out of the way. Such a system would be slow but the camera would already be slow by virtue of the larger file sizes.
Maybe they would go with a pellical mirror (Nikon F3 highspeed, Canon EOS 1n rs) that doesn’t move at all (and protects the sensor from dust at the same time).
Maybe they would go to an electronic viewfinder and forget the mirror altogether.
This is all just fun speculation, I’m a dreamer at heart and if anyone else has some logical ways that Nikon could keep the F-mount in a MF system I’m all ears.
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A double mirror won’t solve it, it is about the space the mirror needs. The mirros is at a 45 degree angle to reflect the light into the pentaprism. Just to illustrate, take the lens of your (d)slr and look at the mirror. Now imagine it being as long as it is wide and see how much more space it would need. To give it enough space and to make sure it doesn’t touch the lens, you’ll need to move the mount fuurther away. Hassy’s are so big and empty inside because they need to accommodate a big mirror at a 45deg angle. Folding in two, swingin makes no difference.
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There is a press conference planned tomorrow. I haven’t seen any leaks from France but many from US retailers. Can’t wait to know.
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Your absolutely correct.
I just did the math (man my trig is rusty) and the mount would have to be moved.
No reason not to have an F-mount though, FX and DX lenses would not be able to focus on infinity but would still have close up applications. Plus the MX lenses would easily scale backwards onto FX and DX.
Lets look at this from the other direction too. Why not (assuming interchangeable backs) have sensors that are deeper inside the camera (FX and DX not MX) depending on which format you wish to shoot in. The backs would have to have an incorporated shutter unit (not likely though there would have to be some sort of cover, automatic or otherwise to protect the sensor during swaps) or the shutter would have to be situated deeper into the body, allowing the smaller sensors to be positioned closer.
Why not forget the focal plane shutter altogether and go with flashing the sensor for FX and DX and a leaf shutter in the lenses (that lock open on FX and DX)
This would give pros access to very high sync speeds with studio flash and allow quite a bit of room inside the back end of the mirror box when an FX or DX back is attached.
More than likely it will turn out to be (if it’s real at all) a strait up MF body with new lenses (still using an F-mount for backwards capability) with a fixed sensor that has crop modes for higher speed shooting and cropping in camera to narrow a lenses recorded angle of view (crop factor).
I do ramble on don’t I.
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then you gotta get your stuff straight with joey because he works with the latest gear that nikon havent said a word about
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Right page column’s address(@Japanese)
http://doraku.asahi.com/money/chie/080616.html
This column is totally unrelated to the camera.
Why will an article about Nikon be next to this column?
And the left page is not written by Japanese grammar.
BAD:”Soshi MX format” (Shoshi is first two word Japanese KANJI, and it means sensor.)
Right:”MX format Shoshi”
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PS
In the case of this article, it will be usually written as “sensor” not as “Shoshi”.
Sensor is “Sensa” in Japanese Katakana.
So, best grammer is “MX fo-matto sensa”
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I’ve been diggin around in the ‘Japanese’ a bit too (although my language skills are zero at best^^)
Tried some english>japanese dictionary sites, tried translations for ’sensor etc., but too confusing and better left to native speakers who will hopefully kindly help out here.
What I DID find was a reference to ‘Otoji’, althoug spelled as ‘otooji’ on this page, despite someone earlier claiming the word did not exist.
Differecne here, it claims to be ‘parents younger brother - uncle’, so not older and bigger but newer?
http://rut.org/cgi-bin/j-e/dosearch?sDict=on&H=PS&L=E&T=uncle&WC=none&FG=r&BG=b&S=26
This is gettingmore confusing by the minute and my nails are getting shorter…
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Forgot to add, 2nd from the bottom on this page. However, not been able to find it on other sites, maybe not a very common expression? I also noticed ‘Otoji’ appears to be a common surname according to google, so maybe the reference is toa person? Can anyone find out if a person called otoji works at the Sendai plant and if so what his job function is? And this site sems to have spoiled search results in google for ‘otoji’ just a tad
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in Japanese,Otoji(sounds Ootoji)大刀自means empress or vice empress.
On the other hand,sounds Otooji is 弟小父, means parent’s younger brother.
but both words are rarely used in Japan.
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Thanks - I guess this whole thing remains a mystery for now.
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If it is real, the possibilities are interesting. A smallish medium format square sensor - 36 by 36. Offering upwards of 39 Megs. With the sensor being this size, it means that it will be able to work in F mount body and use your existing lenses. No need for vertical grip or L brackets - though maybe a bit of getting used to in terms of framing and composition after years of look at a 2 by 3 box.
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Well, since this is a rumors site, here’s a fact: Phase One jsut sent me a newsletter and if you buy the P45+ back you het the camera and 3 lenses FREE. Do they know something we don’t know? Is business that bad or are they expecting strong competition soon? Make of it what you want, here’s a linkie:
http://www.phaseone.com/Global/Newsletters/eblastp45+bundleUK.aspx
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Nikon MX format camera will use new viewing system not like another, is not 45 degree angle mirror! Many Nikkor can cover MX format, but new lens needs especially for normal picture, wide angle, and, shift picture. Also MX format allow vertical or horizon picture in FX size without turning the camera!
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Is this your own opinion or you have some inside info? Email me if you want to stay anonymous.
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Wrap up of today’s rumors
Very busy day today. This is what happened in a nutshell (thanks to all readers that emailed us):I am still getting reports that there was a Nikon press conference in France on Sept 3rd. Anyone?”Nikon UK is pleased to announce the versatile Zoom-Nikkor AF-S DX VRIII IF-ED 18-165mm f/3.5-8G” - what is this all about? VRIII? Nikon D800 is being actively discussed all over the place. Most of the info is old.A rumor came from Germany that the next D3s will be called D4 (the Germans are always right). Could this be the reason why the French web site changed …
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Looking at that image it is obviously the same publication, not two pages open on one computer. But here’s the thing that gets me, the publisher Asahi has that health and living magazine but they also have a veritable bajillion other magazines. One of which is this http://digimaga.ocn.ne.jp/magazine/100002.html. What seems to be a very popular photography magazine exhibiting the latest in camera gear. I didn’t find that article in there but I think there’s a good chance that they also have a magazine with mixed interests and what we are looking at is a screenshot from someone’s computer, most likely of the layout software with some pre-press information. There’s no reason for me to believe this is fake.
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Or it could just be an advertisement for Nikon’s Ultimate superiority.
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Interesting perspective.
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Rumor: ¿Nikon a lanzar cámara con 40 megapixeles, la D4?
La gente de Nikon Rumors acaba de encontrarse con unos documentos que mencionan un nuevo sensor de Nikon que ofrece una resolución máxima de 6,380 x 6,380 pixeles, o 40.7 Megapixeles.
Esto entonces acaba de iniciar una nueva linea de rumores sobre una
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May be there is some kind of joint venture between Nikon and Carl Zeiss. Follow the Ad “The Big” then MX and then this link that says
“Millions of SLR Photographers Will Soon Discover a New Dimension in Photography”
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0512/05122001zeisslenses.asp
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Also follow this link:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-7890-8183
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One bad and two good news
Anonymous message to NR:”Please be advised that the “Otoji” concept as you refer to is no longer current. Although accurate, the project in this form was abandoned over a year ago. It was deemed to be too complicated for deployment. However, selected components and concepts are being introduced in a new system which is set for release in March ‘09. This info was also correct.As others have correctly observed, some new lenses have a larger image circle than needed for 24×36.You should carefully assess the upcoming newly to be released (prime) lenses and realize they cover more than strictly needed. …
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One bad and two good news
Anonymous message to NR:”Please be advised that the “Otoji” concept as you refer to is no longer current. Although accurate, the project in this form was abandoned over a year ago. It was deemed to be too complicated for deployment. However, selected components and concepts are being introduced in a new system which is set for release in March ‘09. This info was also correct.As others have correctly observed, some new lenses have a larger image circle than needed for 24×36.You should carefully assess the upcoming newly to be released (prime) lenses and realize they cover more than strictly needed. …
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One bad and two good news
Anonymous message to NR:”Please be advised that the “Otoji” concept as you refer to is no longer current. Although accurate, the project in this form was abandoned over a year ago. It was deemed to be too complicated for deployment. However, selected components and concepts are being introduced in a new system which is set for release in March ‘09. This info was also correct.As others have correctly observed, some new lenses have a larger image circle than needed for 24×36.You should carefully assess the upcoming newly to be released (prime) lenses and realize they cover more than strictly needed. …
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One bad and two good news
Anonymous message to NR:”Please be advised that the “Otoji” concept as you refer to is no longer current. Although accurate, the project in this form was abandoned over a year ago. It was deemed to be too complicated for deployment. However, selected components and concepts are being introduced in a new system which is set for release in March ‘09. This info was also correct.As others have correctly observed, some new lenses have a larger image circle than needed for 24×36.You should carefully assess the upcoming newly to be released (prime) lenses and realize they cover more than strictly needed. …
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One bad and two good news
Anonymous message to NR:”Please be advised that the “Otoji” concept as you refer to is no longer current. Although accurate, the project in this form was abandoned over a year ago. It was deemed to be too complicated for deployment. However, selected components and concepts are being introduced in a new system which is set for release in March ‘09. This info was also correct.As others have correctly observed, some new lenses have a larger image circle than needed for 24×36.You should carefully assess the upcoming newly to be released (prime) lenses and realize they cover more than strictly needed. …
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One bad and two good news
Anonymous message to NR:”Please be advised that the “Otoji” concept as you refer to is no longer current. Although accurate, the project in this form was abandoned over a year ago. It was deemed to be too complicated for deployment. However, selected components and concepts are being introduced in a new system which is set for release in March ‘09. This info was also correct.As others have correctly observed, some new lenses have a larger image circle than needed for 24×36.You should carefully assess the upcoming newly to be released (prime) lenses and realize they cover more than strictly needed. …
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