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Otoji spy shot (updated)

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I got this image as a follow up to this story which was based on the "Big" post. This is suppose to be a cell phone spy shot related to Otoji, but I do not know yet what does it say:
Comments, translations, interpretations are welcome. This could be HUGE! I can't wait to hear what you have to say.
Translation:
M1 Development Plan
device MX format
device FX format
device DX format
right page (not related to camera)
about Frugality
how to save money
how to save Food expenses
how many time go to store
etc.

- the word otooji means "parent's younger brother; uncle"

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  • Sendai0289/4

    Sorry it was not so helpful as I hoped. Difficult to find better things, many parts I have no axes to. My friend said these numbers would be ueful, sorry it was only cookie cooking? We see a lot of screen but no idea of suefulnes. Maybe you can give us a one example of what you wish to see?

  • Blog Admin

    What we would like to see is more detailed specs (lens, mount, sensor, etc.) blueprints/image of the product – basically anything you can get would be of great interest.

  • http://www.peterlombardi.com Peter Lombardi

    For a larger larger image circle wouldn’t they just have to move the lens further away from the film plane?

    I mean think of it, it’s basically a funnel of light emitted out the back of our lenses, so the further away the film, or in this case sensor plane is, the larger the patch of light would be.

    Ever looked inside of a Hassy? The last element in the lens is quite a bit away from the shutter.

    Most of the lenses already have enough resolving power that, in my mildly knowledgeable mind, they should work just fine.

    Dang, this would be exciting! Makes me wish that I had a house to mortgage!
    -peter

  • Whoknows

    Hm.. with regards to te alleged press conference in France; Since Nikon barred all French press from the D90 previews (Due to violations of NDA’s, allegedly), do we really think Nikon will launch a new flagship in France so shortly after the D90 announcement?

  • Whoknows

    Peter, simply moving a lens away from the film plane to accomodate a bigger mirror box won’t work with any of the F-mount lenses (if that is what is being suggested) as you would lose infinity fcus. A bit like adding an extension tube, mackes your lens more Macro then MX…

  • MarkDphotoguy

    Whoknows is absolutely correct, the easiest thing to do is design a lens with greater coverage. I take back my size comment before as many medium format lenses can be quite compact (thinking back to my old Bronica 645 RF I had my Pentax 67 lenses, Nikkor tilt shift and my friends hassy lenses in mind when I wrote that. Nikon does have allot of experience with lenses that produce a larger image circle LF, MF (for bronica) and the tilt-shifts if any company can design a lens with a larger image circle for the existing F mount to go MF it is Nikon.

  • http://www.peterlombardi.com Peter Lombardi

    Sorry, one coffee morning, ;)

  • MarkDphotoguy

    It would also have to accommodate a rather large mirror mechanism (unless its a RF).
    Come to think of it how would the mirror mechanism work on such a beast so that F-mount would still work?
    The mirror would have to move differently than a mirror in an FX camera. There would be no room for it to go up and down in a normal fashion unless they went to a new lens mount or a rangefinder camera.
    hmmm

  • MarkDphotoguy

    Why not a double mirror, divided in the middle half going up and half going down. That would leave a thin line in the viewfinder when composing but I could live with that.
    Maybe it could slide backwards and up before swinging up out of the way. Such a system would be slow but the camera would already be slow by virtue of the larger file sizes.
    Maybe they would go with a pellical mirror (Nikon F3 highspeed, Canon EOS 1n rs) that doesn’t move at all (and protects the sensor from dust at the same time).
    Maybe they would go to an electronic viewfinder and forget the mirror altogether.
    This is all just fun speculation, I’m a dreamer at heart and if anyone else has some logical ways that Nikon could keep the F-mount in a MF system I’m all ears.

  • Whoknows

    A double mirror won’t solve it, it is about the space the mirror needs. The mirros is at a 45 degree angle to reflect the light into the pentaprism. Just to illustrate, take the lens of your (d)slr and look at the mirror. Now imagine it being as long as it is wide and see how much more space it would need. To give it enough space and to make sure it doesn’t touch the lens, you’ll need to move the mount fuurther away. Hassy’s are so big and empty inside because they need to accommodate a big mirror at a 45deg angle. Folding in two, swingin makes no difference.

  • Juste

    There is a press conference planned tomorrow. I haven’t seen any leaks from France but many from US retailers. Can’t wait to know.

  • MarkDphotoguy

    Your absolutely correct.
    I just did the math (man my trig is rusty) and the mount would have to be moved.
    No reason not to have an F-mount though, FX and DX lenses would not be able to focus on infinity but would still have close up applications. Plus the MX lenses would easily scale backwards onto FX and DX.
    Lets look at this from the other direction too. Why not (assuming interchangeable backs) have sensors that are deeper inside the camera (FX and DX not MX) depending on which format you wish to shoot in. The backs would have to have an incorporated shutter unit (not likely though there would have to be some sort of cover, automatic or otherwise to protect the sensor during swaps) or the shutter would have to be situated deeper into the body, allowing the smaller sensors to be positioned closer.
    Why not forget the focal plane shutter altogether and go with flashing the sensor for FX and DX and a leaf shutter in the lenses (that lock open on FX and DX)
    This would give pros access to very high sync speeds with studio flash and allow quite a bit of room inside the back end of the mirror box when an FX or DX back is attached.
    More than likely it will turn out to be (if it’s real at all) a strait up MF body with new lenses (still using an F-mount for backwards capability) with a fixed sensor that has crop modes for higher speed shooting and cropping in camera to narrow a lenses recorded angle of view (crop factor).
    I do ramble on don’t I.

  • Anonymous

    then you gotta get your stuff straight with joey because he works with the latest gear that nikon havent said a word about

  • Anonymous

    Right page column’s address(@Japanese)
    http://doraku.asahi.com/money/chie/080616.html

    This column is totally unrelated to the camera.
    Why will an article about Nikon be next to this column?

    And the left page is not written by Japanese grammar.

    BAD:”Soshi MX format” (Shoshi is first two word Japanese KANJI, and it means sensor.)

    Right:”MX format Shoshi”

  • Anonymous

    PS

    In the case of this article, it will be usually written as “sensor” not as “Shoshi”.

    Sensor is “Sensa” in Japanese Katakana.

    So, best grammer is “MX fo-matto sensa”

  • Whoknows

    I’ve been diggin around in the ‘Japanese’ a bit too (although my language skills are zero at best^^)
    Tried some english>japanese dictionary sites, tried translations for ‘sensor etc., but too confusing and better left to native speakers who will hopefully kindly help out here.
    What I DID find was a reference to ‘Otoji’, althoug spelled as ‘otooji’ on this page, despite someone earlier claiming the word did not exist.
    Differecne here, it claims to be ‘parents younger brother – uncle’, so not older and bigger but newer?
    http://rut.org/cgi-bin/j-e/dosearch?sDict=on&H=PS&L=E&T=uncle&WC=none&FG=r&BG=b&S=26
    This is gettingmore confusing by the minute and my nails are getting shorter…

  • Whoknows

    Forgot to add, 2nd from the bottom on this page. However, not been able to find it on other sites, maybe not a very common expression? I also noticed ‘Otoji’ appears to be a common surname according to google, so maybe the reference is toa person? Can anyone find out if a person called otoji works at the Sendai plant and if so what his job function is? And this site sems to have spoiled search results in google for ‘otoji’ just a tad :P

  • http://arata.tv/camera/ arata

    in Japanese,Otoji(sounds Ootoji)大刀自means empress or vice empress.
    On the other hand,sounds Otooji is 弟小父, means parent’s younger brother.
    but both words are rarely used in Japan.

  • Blog Admin

    Thanks – I guess this whole thing remains a mystery for now.

  • DINO

    If it is real, the possibilities are interesting. A smallish medium format square sensor – 36 by 36. Offering upwards of 39 Megs. With the sensor being this size, it means that it will be able to work in F mount body and use your existing lenses. No need for vertical grip or L brackets – though maybe a bit of getting used to in terms of framing and composition after years of look at a 2 by 3 box.

  • Whoknows

    Well, since this is a rumors site, here’s a fact: Phase One jsut sent me a newsletter and if you buy the P45+ back you het the camera and 3 lenses FREE. Do they know something we don’t know? Is business that bad or are they expecting strong competition soon? Make of it what you want, here’s a linkie:
    http://www.phaseone.com/Global/Newsletters/eblastp45+bundleUK.aspx

  • Anonymous

    Nikon MX format camera will use new viewing system not like another, is not 45 degree angle mirror! Many Nikkor can cover MX format, but new lens needs especially for normal picture, wide angle, and, shift picture. Also MX format allow vertical or horizon picture in FX size without turning the camera!

  • Blog Admin

    Is this your own opinion or you have some inside info? Email me if you want to stay anonymous.

  • Mark French

    Looking at that image it is obviously the same publication, not two pages open on one computer. But here’s the thing that gets me, the publisher Asahi has that health and living magazine but they also have a veritable bajillion other magazines. One of which is this http://digimaga.ocn.ne.jp/magazine/100002.html. What seems to be a very popular photography magazine exhibiting the latest in camera gear. I didn’t find that article in there but I think there’s a good chance that they also have a magazine with mixed interests and what we are looking at is a screenshot from someone’s computer, most likely of the layout software with some pre-press information. There’s no reason for me to believe this is fake.

  • Mark French

    Or it could just be an advertisement for Nikon’s Ultimate superiority.

  • Blog Admin

    Interesting perspective.

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    Rumor: ¿Nikon a lanzar cámara con 40 megapixeles, la D4?

    La gente de Nikon Rumors acaba de encontrarse con unos documentos que mencionan un nuevo sensor de Nikon que ofrece una resolución máxima de 6,380 x 6,380 pixeles, o 40.7 Megapixeles.

    Esto entonces acaba de iniciar una nueva linea de rumores sobre una

  • Harris

    May be there is some kind of joint venture between Nikon and Carl Zeiss. Follow the Ad “The Big” then MX and then this link that says

    “Millions of SLR Photographers Will Soon Discover a New Dimension in Photography”

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0512/05122001zeisslenses.asp

  • Harris
  • http://nikonrumors.com/2008/09/07/one-good-and-one-bad-news-for-the-otoji-project.aspx Nikon Rumors

    One bad and two good news

    Anonymous message to NR:”Please be advised that the “Otoji” concept as you refer to is no longer current. Although accurate, the project in this form was abandoned over a year ago. It was deemed to be too complicated for deployment. However, selected components and concepts are being introduced in a new system which is set for release in March ’09. This info was also correct.As others have correctly observed, some new lenses have a larger image circle than needed for 24×36.You should carefully assess the upcoming newly to be released (prime) lenses and realize they cover more than strictly needed. …

  • http://nikonrumors.com/2008/09/07/one-good-and-one-bad-news-for-the-otoji-project.aspx Nikon Rumors

    One bad and two good news

    Anonymous message to NR:”Please be advised that the “Otoji” concept as you refer to is no longer current. Although accurate, the project in this form was abandoned over a year ago. It was deemed to be too complicated for deployment. However, selected components and concepts are being introduced in a new system which is set for release in March ’09. This info was also correct.As others have correctly observed, some new lenses have a larger image circle than needed for 24×36.You should carefully assess the upcoming newly to be released (prime) lenses and realize they cover more than strictly needed. …

  • http://nikonrumors.com/2008/09/07/one-good-and-one-bad-news-for-the-otoji-project.aspx Nikon Rumors

    One bad and two good news

    Anonymous message to NR:”Please be advised that the “Otoji” concept as you refer to is no longer current. Although accurate, the project in this form was abandoned over a year ago. It was deemed to be too complicated for deployment. However, selected components and concepts are being introduced in a new system which is set for release in March ’09. This info was also correct.As others have correctly observed, some new lenses have a larger image circle than needed for 24×36.You should carefully assess the upcoming newly to be released (prime) lenses and realize they cover more than strictly needed. …

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