Comments on: Gone Baby Gone again – this time is the AF 85mm f/1.4D IF http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/ where there’s smoke there’s fire Thu, 24 May 2012 12:04:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2658 Anonymous Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:59:13 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2658 In the last years, every time I bought a new lens, Nikon released an AFS version of it (80-200/2.8, 300/4). And now even Tokina started to sell lenses with built-in AF motors (yeah I bought the 12-24 from Tokina, a real bargain). <br /><br />You know what? I also bought the AF 85 1.4 in June this year. Spectacular lens (even without AFS) - but I guess Nikon will update this item soon. Just to continue this "rule". In the last years, every time I bought a new lens, Nikon released an AFS version of it (80-200/2.8, 300/4). And now even Tokina started to sell lenses with built-in AF motors (yeah I bought the 12-24 from Tokina, a real bargain).

You know what? I also bought the AF 85 1.4 in June this year. Spectacular lens (even without AFS) – but I guess Nikon will update this item soon. Just to continue this “rule”.

]]> By: Eric http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2656 Eric Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:55:08 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2656 I'm not the one being an absolutist. You're the one saying pros don't use primes any more. And that's just not true. I'm a pro and have been for over 20 years. And the vast majority of pros I know (from National Geographic on down) use primes on a regular basis.<br /><br />Micro lenses, long focal lengths, 14mm, 18mm 20mm 24mm, 28mm, 35mm 50mm, 60mm, 85mm 105mm, Nikon continues to make them and will continue to make them.<br /><br />And no matter how fast a camera becomes, like the D3, the lower light you can shoot in and the faster the lenses we need to take photos we never have before. I would argue that with the better cameras it makes sense to use primes even more than before, without the flash that so many use to destroy the character of the light that so many people use because of their limited (f/2.8) apertures. I’m not the one being an absolutist. You’re the one saying pros don’t use primes any more. And that’s just not true. I’m a pro and have been for over 20 years. And the vast majority of pros I know (from National Geographic on down) use primes on a regular basis.

Micro lenses, long focal lengths, 14mm, 18mm 20mm 24mm, 28mm, 35mm 50mm, 60mm, 85mm 105mm, Nikon continues to make them and will continue to make them.

And no matter how fast a camera becomes, like the D3, the lower light you can shoot in and the faster the lenses we need to take photos we never have before. I would argue that with the better cameras it makes sense to use primes even more than before, without the flash that so many use to destroy the character of the light that so many people use because of their limited (f/2.8) apertures.

]]> By: Steven Sow http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2655 Steven Sow Tue, 02 Sep 2008 03:23:52 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2655 The reason that those of use want high speed primes doesn't have to do with how our cameras handle high ISOs, if you have a D300, 700, or D3, you don't need a high speed lens, just up your ISOs. The reason why I want a 1.4/1.2 is for that shallow depth of field and selective focus. I think that what we asking for is choice. If you want to have the 14-24, 24-70, 70-200 in your bag and that's it, that's cool. But there are some of us who would love to kick it "old school" - 20, 35, 50, 85, 105/135/180 and two bodies - that's the stuff right there... The reason that those of use want high speed primes doesn’t have to do with how our cameras handle high ISOs, if you have a D300, 700, or D3, you don’t need a high speed lens, just up your ISOs. The reason why I want a 1.4/1.2 is for that shallow depth of field and selective focus. I think that what we asking for is choice. If you want to have the 14-24, 24-70, 70-200 in your bag and that’s it, that’s cool. But there are some of us who would love to kick it “old school” – 20, 35, 50, 85, 105/135/180 and two bodies – that’s the stuff right there…

]]> By: rich http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2654 rich Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:21:06 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2654 dont be absolutist. of course i cant speak for everyone. some pros may still use polaroids for all i know. <br /><br />the FACT of the matter is that the vast majority of pros do not use primes for their bread and butter. they may have a couple in their kit lens as backup or for particular situations but thats it. even that now is disappearing cos the extra stop or so you gain at 1.4 is made up by the d3's hi iso anyway. dont be absolutist. of course i cant speak for everyone. some pros may still use polaroids for all i know.

the FACT of the matter is that the vast majority of pros do not use primes for their bread and butter. they may have a couple in their kit lens as backup or for particular situations but thats it. even that now is disappearing cos the extra stop or so you gain at 1.4 is made up by the d3′s hi iso anyway.

]]> By: Steven Sow http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2653 Steven Sow Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:13:45 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2653 the 14-24 and 24-70 are great lenses, and will go down as two Nikkor classics, but there obviously is still a market for fast prime lenses. Canon knows that that's why their 24, 35, 50, and 85 are produced and sold right along with their 16-35, 24-70, 24-105, 70-200, etc. I'm having a hard time understanding why Nikon can't do the same thing. Everybody doesn't want a zoom, there are still a lot of people who still shoot with primes, and a lot of people who would love to compliment their zooms with a fast prime or two. the 14-24 and 24-70 are great lenses, and will go down as two Nikkor classics, but there obviously is still a market for fast prime lenses. Canon knows that that’s why their 24, 35, 50, and 85 are produced and sold right along with their 16-35, 24-70, 24-105, 70-200, etc. I’m having a hard time understanding why Nikon can’t do the same thing. Everybody doesn’t want a zoom, there are still a lot of people who still shoot with primes, and a lot of people who would love to compliment their zooms with a fast prime or two.

]]> By: Eric http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2652 Eric Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:46:09 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2652 Nonsense. I'm a pro. Former photojournalist, and editorial photographer who does location work all over the world. And I want fast primes. Zooms are great, and I'll use them a lot. But there are times where there is no substitute for a prime lens at 1.4 and Nikon and Canon know it. They just don't like making lenses that don't sell to "everybody." They've forgotten their roots. Nonsense. I’m a pro. Former photojournalist, and editorial photographer who does location work all over the world. And I want fast primes. Zooms are great, and I’ll use them a lot. But there are times where there is no substitute for a prime lens at 1.4 and Nikon and Canon know it. They just don’t like making lenses that don’t sell to “everybody.” They’ve forgotten their roots.

]]> By: rich http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2651 rich Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:36:57 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2651 nikons 14-24 and 24-70 produce better results than any primes currently on the market. i'm all for updated primes but unless nikon have acquired several new manufacturing failities, its not gonna happen on a large scale anytime soon.<br /><br />the 85/1.4 and 50/1.4 are the ones that need updating but mostly for people like me, (wedding photographer).<br /><br />RE: pros: apart from long tele primes used by the sporting pros, most pros stopped using shorter primes quite some time ago. journos are using the 70-200, 24-70 or 17-35. this is not just nikon, this is also canon. nikons 14-24 and 24-70 produce better results than any primes currently on the market. i’m all for updated primes but unless nikon have acquired several new manufacturing failities, its not gonna happen on a large scale anytime soon.

the 85/1.4 and 50/1.4 are the ones that need updating but mostly for people like me, (wedding photographer).

RE: pros: apart from long tele primes used by the sporting pros, most pros stopped using shorter primes quite some time ago. journos are using the 70-200, 24-70 or 17-35. this is not just nikon, this is also canon.

]]> By: freehawk http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2650 freehawk Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:31:46 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2650 I want a new AFS 50mm, the current model is STILL out of stock at B&H I want a new AFS 50mm, the current model is STILL out of stock at B&H

]]> By: Thomas http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2649 Thomas Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:31:57 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2649 Agreed. <br />And it was interesting in May 2008 too, when this news broke. Agreed.
And it was interesting in May 2008 too, when this news broke.

]]> By: Craig http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2648 Craig Mon, 01 Sep 2008 05:56:51 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2648 The discontinued tele lenses you see there are the old ones that were discontinued for the new VR ones released last year.<br /><br />It's the 85mm lens that's interesting right now. The discontinued tele lenses you see there are the old ones that were discontinued for the new VR ones released last year.

It’s the 85mm lens that’s interesting right now.

]]> By: no-news http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2647 no-news Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:32:04 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2647 there is no way they replace the 300-600mm fast teles. They are are all rather new, fully adequate (incl. VR) and known to be excellent. <br /><br />Why should Nikon discontinue them there is no way they replace the 300-600mm fast teles. They are are all rather new, fully adequate (incl. VR) and known to be excellent.

Why should Nikon discontinue them

]]> By: Peter Lombardi http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2646 Peter Lombardi Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:13:58 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2646 The reasons that most of my employers and fellow photographer friends shoot Canon's is because of the previously non-existence of a FF sensor (now solved), lower file sizes (meaning overall image dimensions), and a lacking lens catalog.<br /><br />Nikon knows these things and they seem to be working towards fixing them, so the more gaps they fill, the more likely photographers will come home to Nikon. <br />-peter The reasons that most of my employers and fellow photographer friends shoot Canon’s is because of the previously non-existence of a FF sensor (now solved), lower file sizes (meaning overall image dimensions), and a lacking lens catalog.

Nikon knows these things and they seem to be working towards fixing them, so the more gaps they fill, the more likely photographers will come home to Nikon.
-peter

]]> By: Eric http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2645 Eric Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:06:25 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2645 Nikon would have no problem developing lenses and bodies at the same time. Optical engineering is completely different than developing bodies. <br /><br />They had better start producing some fast primes. That is the weakest part of their lens lineups. How many more entry-level lenses do they need? THey certainly don't need another zoom between 18 and 135. As for pro-oriented zooms, if indeed the 70-200 2.8 VR is coming at Photokina, they have everything covered between 14 and 400 with modern lenses. So the next step is to give those of us who find f/2.8 too slow - even at ISO 6400 - for what we do. For example, I have photographed in emerald minds in Colombia 1900 meters underground. With available light when possible. It's hot (125º), humid (99%) and cramped (I'm 6'2") so I need small portable lenses that can see in the dark. The D700 and D3 can see in the dark. They're just limited by the speed of the lenses I use.<br /><br />135 has never been a very popular focal length compared to 105 or 180. They need to make all of their primes AF-S. Non AF-S lenses focus slowly and make a lot more noise. If there's anything that's going to bring pros and amateurs back from the likes of Canon is fast primes. Too many slow zooms has been a symptom of their long-standing practice of catering to amateurs rather than pros. What made Nikon tops in the first place was giving pros what they wanted and understanding the amateurs followed by buying what the pros use. Nikon would have no problem developing lenses and bodies at the same time. Optical engineering is completely different than developing bodies.

They had better start producing some fast primes. That is the weakest part of their lens lineups. How many more entry-level lenses do they need? THey certainly don’t need another zoom between 18 and 135. As for pro-oriented zooms, if indeed the 70-200 2.8 VR is coming at Photokina, they have everything covered between 14 and 400 with modern lenses. So the next step is to give those of us who find f/2.8 too slow – even at ISO 6400 – for what we do. For example, I have photographed in emerald minds in Colombia 1900 meters underground. With available light when possible. It’s hot (125º), humid (99%) and cramped (I’m 6’2″) so I need small portable lenses that can see in the dark. The D700 and D3 can see in the dark. They’re just limited by the speed of the lenses I use.

135 has never been a very popular focal length compared to 105 or 180. They need to make all of their primes AF-S. Non AF-S lenses focus slowly and make a lot more noise. If there’s anything that’s going to bring pros and amateurs back from the likes of Canon is fast primes. Too many slow zooms has been a symptom of their long-standing practice of catering to amateurs rather than pros. What made Nikon tops in the first place was giving pros what they wanted and understanding the amateurs followed by buying what the pros use.

]]> By: Anonymous http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2644 Anonymous Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:35:27 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2644 Looks like old news to me. Looks like old news to me.

]]> By: Anonymous http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2643 Anonymous Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:34:24 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2643 The link is alive. <br />Try the second hyperlink posted (without trailing '>') The link is alive.
Try the second hyperlink posted (without trailing ‘>’)

]]> By: Blog Admin http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2642 Blog Admin Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:28:23 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2642 dead link - can't see any old news dead link – can’t see any old news

]]> By: Marc http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2639 Marc Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:43:46 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2639 I don't care for an AF-S 85mm. I do not have any AF-S lenses and I'm fine with that. I don't want to pay more just because of AF-S! If there is nano coating, ok, but please add more than AF-S!<br /><br />Any one wanna sell their "old" 85mm 1.4D? I don’t care for an AF-S 85mm. I do not have any AF-S lenses and I’m fine with that. I don’t want to pay more just because of AF-S! If there is nano coating, ok, but please add more than AF-S!

Any one wanna sell their “old” 85mm 1.4D?

]]> By: rich http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2638 rich Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:23:48 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2638 no. no.

]]> By: JJ http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2637 JJ Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:54:18 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2637 Gels nicely with Warehouse Express thinking that the 85mm/f1.4 was "NEW!" a week or so back.<br />Does anyone think that an all AF-s line-up of lenses point to a pro body with no internal focussing motor? Gels nicely with Warehouse Express thinking that the 85mm/f1.4 was “NEW!” a week or so back.
Does anyone think that an all AF-s line-up of lenses point to a pro body with no internal focussing motor?

]]> By: rhlpetrus http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-2636 rhlpetrus Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:15:11 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/http:/nikonrumors.com/2008/08/31/gone-baby-gone-again-this-time-is-the-af-85mm-f14d-if.aspx#comment-2636 I think a lens(es) announcement could happen now, right in the heels of D90's announcement, but not of a new camera. I think a lens(es) announcement could happen now, right in the heels of D90′s announcement, but not of a new camera.

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