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A reader wrote us about the next release from Nikon @ Photokina:

24mm 1.4 AF-S
35mm 1.4 AF-S
50mm 1.4 AF-S
85mm 1.4 AF-S

all "G" but not DXs not as sure about the 35mm as the others

No meaty info on D90 yet stay tuned. Should be D300 chip in more prosumer body with live view

D3x very evolutionary not as much revolutionary and will be same as D3 with the exception of the cmos size which you are correct about.  Noise reduction and usability of high isos will take another radical jump from present gear

I think we will see the D3x and primes announced at Photokina. The 70-200 should be there too.  There is also an 80-400 replacement (AF-S) on the blocks but my guess would be that it will be introduced along with D90. I think the D90 is a PMA (feb) deal but it seems like D80 are out of stock all over.  This isn't unusual though as occasionally Nikon will miss the mark with how long supply will last

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  • falstaff

    What means, “…D90 is a PMA (feb) deal…”? Sorry, im not a native english speaker… :-)

  • Dan

    PMA refers to the Photo Marketing Association Annual Convention and Trade Show. A big trade show in the February/March time frame each year.

  • RobJ

    Those primes will be big sellers if true. In particular, I think the 24mm and 35mm would be very appealing to DX users. Those are much more useful focal lengths with the DX conversion than the 50mm is, and with AF-S, D40/D60 users will finally have some primes they can buy.

  • Jonathan

    how so? i own a D40 and i’m looking forward to buying a prime, so i’m contemplating the 35mm and the 50mm. how would the 35mm be better than the 50mm?

  • Bruno

    these lenses image circle are FX-size, so he must be considering the 1.5x DX sensor crop.. that would make the 50mm go to 75mm with the crop. it starts to look like telephoto.

    the 24mm with DX crop becomes 36mm. and the 35mm with DX crop is 52.5mm.

  • RobJ

    It depends on what you want to do with the lens? As Bruno said, the 50mm converts to 75mm with the DX crop factored in, so it’s not as useful for everyday photography as a 24mm (converted to 36mm) or a 35mm (converted to 52.5mm) would be. Then again, maybe you want to use the prime for portraits or don’t care about wide angles. In that case, the 50mm might actually be better for you.

    Back in the film days before zooms became popular, 50mm was considered a “standard” length, and most SLRs sold probably came with some variation of a 50mm f1.4 or f1.8 lens. So a 35mm f1.4 lens converted to 52.5 brings us back to that standard for DX users.

  • Peter

    What no one has squealed about yet, is the true revolutionary nature of D3x, and why it has been delayed; HDMI 1080p output with 60FPS (while in live view)…. Enough to make the video guys begin to faint over the possibilites?
    LCD screen is enabled while using HDMI and stereo mini input on the left.

  • MVK

    I’d like to know how much these will cost. The 85 is already 1100 without AFS. The 24 and 35 1.4 in other mounts (Canon or Sony) run well over 1000. If you’re really interested in something that range, there’s already a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 with HSM for a reasonable price ($350).

    The 50mm is probably the only one likely to be less than 1000 and considering the Sigma version clocking in at $500, I’m not sure it is worth it.

    Really, all the D40/D60 users are asking for AFS which is likely to drive up the price of the primes they want. Besides Bruno (haha), I have a hard time understanding why they didn’t just opt for a D80/D90 and then buy the cheaper primes.

    Either way, I’d be glad if they put out new lenses again but like others have said, I’d be surprised if they put out so many in one year.

    I’d like to see a new 85 f/1.4 or and maybe a 50mm f/1.4 if I get a D700 but as of right now, I’m fine with my Nikkor 35 f/2. Plenty sharp and fast on a D300.

  • Eric

    ..there’s already a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 with HSM for a reasonable price ($350).

    I think Nikon’s market with the primes is to the FX crowd.

    The 50mm is probably the only one likely to be less than 1000 and considering the Sigma version clocking in at $500, I’m not sure it is worth it.

    The new 60mm micro is about $130 more than its previous version. That’s about a 1/3 of a markup. If we were to use that as an example, the new 50mm f/1.4 will have a B&H pricetag of about $370-380.

    I really think that these fast primes are also to one degree or another Nikon’s way of updating all of these classic focal length primes (exception being the 24mm f/1.4 which is a new focal length/aperture combo) to AF-S. The 35mm f/1.4 was a cornerstone optic in their lineup for decades, and desperately needed to be brought up to date.

    The people who either can’t or won’t pony up the cash won’t be affected by these lenses in the least. I think that Nikon would have a sizeable market for an AF-S of both the 35 and 85, and probably would do healthy business with the 50.

  • Gary

    Sorry – new to this – what does “prime” refer to?

  • Z

    Static focal length (i.e. 50mm, 35mm, 85mm, etc.) By having a prime lens, in theory, you will achieve optimal image quality at that specific focal length.

  • http://www.chadwebbphotography.com Radchad

    I would think that the D90 will be announced at photokina so that it ships for christmas, where as the D3x can wait. I work at a camera shop, and I think more D90′s would sell before christmas than after.

  • Bob

    I would like to know where ‘the reader’ got this info. I don’t want hysteric enthousiasm kick in. Yet. The only reason for me to go the Canon route is the fast prime, so if Nikon really delivers…

  • radlclaus

    This would be my dream come true: The 50/1.4 right now is too slow focussing for my playing kids without a pro-body’s strong motors: D70, D80 and D300 did not meet my expectations in this regard and I really missed these fast primes.

    Love the 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 right now (with D80 useful until long after sundown) but always craved for a 30mm or wider for normal angles on DX.

    ___Love___ the idea of these becoming available!! Hope it’s not a hoax. And affordable, if possible, unlike the old 1.4/28mm Ken Rockwell praises (http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/2814af.htm)

  • blackTIE

    I’m sorry, but this is all guesswork from the poster. Nothing to substantiate this.

  • Bruno

    that’s why this is nikonRUMORS.com

  • Shutter-Happy

    50mm 1.4 AF-S will defeat the purpose if it is aimed for the D40/D60 crowd because they get those two bodies to get into the DSLR hobby cheaply. Nikon should have produced a relatively cheap 50mm 1.8 AF-S to really target the D40/D60 crowd. I suspect the 50mm 1.4 AF-S would be too expensive for that segment.

  • Gary

    Thanks Z

  • Blog Admin

    I cannot really tell you that – I cannot compromise my source.
    What I can tell you is that the reader did not send me this info directly – I actually had to contact him/her and ask him/her questions – you can probably get this from his/her response. This should add some credibility.

  • Bob

    Thank you. I understand that you can’t say more about your source. I hope it’s true and that the lenses will be available soon.

  • Da_mENIZ

    I buy D3X as sony sensor is probably ready
    D90 obvius
    85 f/1.4
    50 f/1.4
    but not 35mm f/1.4, 24mm f/1.4
    but even fast 85mm f/1.4 would be really sweet addition

    It would be cool for Nikon to follow with semi-pro body and 24MP after 6mo like D3=>D700. But that is probably a wet dream ;)

  • PHB

    The 35mm f/1.4 is a no-brainer for Nikon if they are refreshing their lineup of primes. They already have a manual focus version of that lens.

    If they were going to update the 50mm, surely the f/1.2 would be a more likely candidate for the upgrade?

  • Eric

    I don’t think Nikon is aiming any of these lenses at the mass/dx market. If the D3x is released then Nikon will have three FX bodies in its lineup and those users are going to want “classic” prime focal lengths. The D40/60 buyers have the Sigma 30mm and the zillion of slow-ish zooms to choose from.

  • RobJ

    I’ll be surprised if Nikon ever releases an f1.2 lens again. With high ISO performance constantly improving, there’s really just no need in the digital era for a lens that fast.

  • MoJo

    Maybe I am slow (pun intended!), but I don’t understand the idea that we no longer need fast lenses because of digital cameras’ high ISO performance. We may not need them for the traditional genres, but we can always push the envelope and find darker places with faster movements.

  • Eric

    There are also those of us who still like to use fast lenses to isolate depth of field.

  • http://www.xanga.com/matthewsaville Matthew Saville Photography

    Sadly, as much as I WOULD love to see a 70-200 mk2, an 80-400 mk2, and some f/1.4 primes, to compliment a pro-system-completing D3X, I don’t think it’ll happen. Maybe one or two pro lenses, like a 70-200 mk2 and an 85 1.4 AFS, but Nikon would be wisest to release a D90 for consumers to gobble up this holiday season.

    Like I said, I’m dying for the pro stuff. In fact the glorious D700 has no allure to me WITHOUT more pro FX glass. But I just don’t think we’re going to see ALL this predicted pro gear…

    =Matt=

  • Lka

    Since the majority of people buying the D3X would probably be working in very controlled environments, i.e. studio and can decide their distance to their subject in advance, they would want the highest possible quality to match their 24MP chip and they will probably know 2 weeks in advance which focal length they will be using in that exact shoot according to the look and feel they are after, along with lighting and all the rest. So IF theres a D3X and IF Nikon gives out prime lenses at the same time, those lenses will have the image quality and the price to match. They will be the “no-compromise” solution in terms of image quality for professionals, not something you put on your D40 to take pictures of your kids because it gives you AF-S. These lenses would be so far away from a Sigma 30mm in terms of quality nobody would even consider judging them against each other.

    The other thing is that primes are also where the know-how of the company is measured. Nobody cares if consumer zoom from company X is better than the one from company Y, but the company that has the sharpest 50mm gains status. The Nikon primes are long overdue for modernizing, I hope the reason it has taken so much time is because they have honed and honed the design to create something that is at the very edge of what can be created with todays technology.

    Waiting with moderate exitement.

    LKA

  • richard p

    Totally agree. These possible primes are unlikely to be like your $150 plastic 50mm. They will be designed with pro use in mind, besides I imagine Nikon are thinking very few of their D40/X/60 users will be bothering with prime lenses. Of course there will be people out there who like primes in that category, but Nikon know the majority will be using zoom lenses.

  • cbp

    sounds realistic. hope they work on the 20 mm as well sometime soon.

  • peter

    pro’s with a d3x wont be using these primes anyway. they normally shoot in a studio which means they dont need to minimise distractions with a shallow dof, dont USE shallow dof for their commercial shoots and use strobes so dont need fast glass or fast af. they will use the zooms. either the 70-200 or 24-70. the 24-70 is perfect. the 70-200 needs the update due to the vignetting issue on FX.

    as a wedding photographer with a d300 and a d3, i’m the one that needs the fast primes for low light and dof.

    nikon must do something about this. using screw driven lens’ in a quiet church with pedestrian speed AF is a disgrace in this day and age.

  • Blog Admin

    I could not have said it better. Agree 100%. The only addition I have is sometimes people want to buy the best so they don’t have to update for a long time. If a D40 owner buys a Nikon AF-S prime lens, he/she can upgrade all the way to D3 and still use this lens. A good lens can outlive many bodies – that’s why it is worth spending more money on glass.

  • http://dotcrimemanifesto.com/ PHB

    The Nikon Rumors article is way off. The actual primes are

    35 f/1.2
    85 f/1.0

    and…

    50 f/0.7

    The last one comes with a special engraving round the edge which loosely translated reads, ‘Dear Canon, to work most excellent where the sun does not shine’.

    The main evidence that this is indeed the case comes from the fact that Nikon has spent a quite enormous sum hiring Stanley Kubrik (Barry Lyndon &ct) to introduce the lens personally at Photokina. As his agent put it, ‘Stanley, famously reluctant to take such engagements, had become only more so since his death. But this was simply too attractive to pass up’.

    Nikon is also believed to be planning to show a revised version of their famous 1968 2000mm reflex Nikor, a 10,000 mm version with an aperture of f/22. Weighing just under a ton, the lens is two meters long and almost a meter in diameter. Custom built to order, it will be the first professional lens ever to be offered in the customer’s own choice of color. If will also be the first Reflex-Nikor to be equipped with VR technology for hand held use.

    The new cameras to be announced are equally exciting. In addition to the 20MP D3x with the FX format sensor there will also be a 18MP D3y introducing an entirely new LX sensor format with a 4/3″ sensor that provides a 2x crop factor.

    The D3y is already being referred to as the ‘D3 why did they bother’ since making use of the staggering pixel density requires an f/5.6 lens or bigger to avoid diffraction effects. A significant limitation for a lens likely to be used with exotic telephotos.

  • RobJ

    Fast lenses are not going away. All I’m saying is, Nikon is not likely to make another f1.2 lens. There just isn’t enough of a market for a lens like that, and Nikon f1.4 lenses produce spectacular DOF. In fact, Nikon’s last f1.2 lens was not even considered very good.

  • Z

    /fail

  • Blog Admin

    I corrected, but remember that this was not written by nikonrumors.com, but by one of our sources.

  • Eric

    All of Nikon’s 50′s produce some degree of bad bokeh. The 50mm f/1.4, in all current versions, is perhaps the worst in that regard. The f/1.2 and f/2 versions produce the softest (i.e. having the least noticeable “rings” on the OOF highlights) rendering. I do agree that a f/1.2 would be prohibitively expensive. I could see Nikon releasing a 50mm f/1.4, and *maybe* an f/1.2 somewhere down the line, but it wouldn’t be anytime soon.

  • Eric

    You said “…pro’s with a d3x wont be using these primes anyway…”

    and “….as a wedding photographer with a d300 and a d3, i’m the one that needs the fast primes for low light and dof…”

    Doesn’t that make you a professional?

  • peter

    all professional means is that i get paid for my work. there are MANY different types of professionals though and not all of them have the same needs. a professional sports shooter has vastly different needs from a wedding photographer for example.

    people that shoot with a 24mp d3x will typically be studio photographers or at the very least, pros that shoot in a very specific and controlled environment and therefore have a competely different need to me or a sports shooter. no studio pro shoots at iso6400 or even iso800. and these guys shoot at critical aperture, (ie: the sharpest, best performing optical area of the lens).

    you will never see a studio guy shooting at 1.4. never.

  • Hayzen

    I was planning on buying a D80 but found out it can’t meter light with the old non-cpu lenses unlike the D200/D300. Do you think the D90 will be able to meter light with non-cpu lenses or they will only keep this feature for the D?00 series?

  • Steven Sow

    That’s something I’ve always wondered as well, why Nikon let the 35 1.4 sit forever as a manual focus lens, a classic lens, but one that horribly needs to be updated.

    I have always been jealous of Canon shooter’s choice of lens offerings, particularly the 24 and 35 1.4, there’s no reason why Nikon shouldn’t have at least one ultra fast wide angle. A updated AF-S, reasonably affordable 28 1.4 would be nice, at least something to maybe bring down the used price of the old 28.

    I’m happy with my D300, but I would love to have some AF-S fast prime glass to use on it, with no VR, puting AF-S, Nano coating and ED elements would make the price tag high enough without adding VR into the equation.

  • http://www.derekstanton.com CK Dexter Haven

    I’m hoping Nikon understands that their current 50mm lens(es) render horrible bokeh, and that that characteristic, at least, will be remedied in the newer versions. It’s actually the reason i canceled my D700 pre-order, as i had intended to make a switch from my Canon 5D system.

    A 35/1.4 would also be welcomed. As a Canon shooter, i’ve always been surprised and disappointed that Nikon hasn’t offered an AF 35/1.4 lens. I’m also shocked there’s no fast 28mm, other than the long discontinued, ridiculously priced 28/1.4. Maybe that should be addressed, as well.

    As for an above comment, comparing a potential new Nikon 50/1.4 to the Sigma…well, the Sigma is a very large lens. I think it has a 77mm filter size. Hopefully, any new Nikon 50 will be somewhere in the 52 to 58mm range. Of course, a 1.2 version would be received very well, regardless of the sensors’ increasing capabilities re: high ISO.

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